Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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I wonder if it falls into the whole argument of offensive vs defensive weapons? Russia might not like it but has less of an arugment if the US is providing weapons like Javelins as they are perhaps more of a defensive weapon against tanks etc. whereas jets are seen more as an offensive weapon going up and targetting jets and conducting bombing runs etc. thus givng Putin his whole, US are aiding in shooting us down etc.

Just an out there thought, but pretty sure was something voiced by someone on the news a few days back..
 
That big "convoy" north of Kyiv seems to have scattered a bit... not clear if that's because they're vulnerable/run low on supplies etc.. or because they're preparing things?


There were (and I guess still are) fears of large portions of the Ukrainian army being surrounded/cut off but there is the risk that they could be close to doing the same to that group of Russians (ergo maybe one reason why they've scattered) - for example, they seem to have gone on the offensive in Chernihiv which cuts off that road:



Of course, the other worry now is chemical weapons... if that's why the Russians have scattered a bit in advance of then, yikes.
 
I wonder if it falls into the whole argument of offensive vs defensive weapons? Russia might not like it but has less of an arugment if the US is providing weapons like Javelins as they are perhaps more of a defensive weapon against tanks etc. whereas jets are seen more as an offensive weapon going up and targetting jets and conducting bombing runs etc. thus givng Putin his whole, US are aiding in shooting us down etc.

Just an out there thought, but pretty sure was something voiced by someone on the news a few days back..
I think it’s this. It would be same if NATO provided tanks.
 
I don't see why the Americans should send them, if Poland want to give them jets then ******* do it yourselves.
I thought it was Americas Idea, but Poland called Americas bluff because Poland didn't want to get blamed for starting WW3.
seems America doesn't either.


That big "convoy" north of Kyiv seems to have scattered a bit... not clear if that's because they're vulnerable/run low on supplies etc.. or because they're preparing things?
Scattered or spread out?

I like how western media plays the propaganda choice of words like "stalled" and "stuck"

instead of stopped, waiting or whatever like it's forced on them and not a choice.
they are merely broken down, out of fuel etc...

we were told by the USA the soldiers had stabbed the fuel tanks because they didn't want to move etc
seems that was a bunch of crap if they are moving, we never heard of any fuel trucks coming from Russia either is that because they had fuel the whole time?
 
Has anyone here studied Zelensky? I wonder how he might react if chemical weapons are used, I don't know much about him. He looks stressed to hell, I don't blame him the level of suffering is horrendous, its made me feel ill today thinking about it.
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-n...lly-vetoed-plan-send-polish-mig-fighter-jets/

Joe the coward scared of Vladimir, basically a nod for Vlad to do he as pleases in Ukraine now, so much for the "We're with you Ukraine" we're only with you in so much as a shield is with you when you hold it


The bystander effect is dubious... but yeah that was dodgy of the US and calls into question NATO's principles...

They were happy for Poland to deliver them directly (meaning Poland would be at risk of attack) but not happy for a US airbase in Germany to be used instead, yet an attack on one NATO country is supposed to be an attack on all.

Poland clearly not co confident in that and the US showing them a reason not to be too, in theory, it shouldn't matter whether they're delivered from Poland or from a US base in Germany unless the US is going to react differently and not treat a potential attack on Poland in the same way it would treat one vs its own airbase.
 
Has anyone here studied Zelensky? I wonder how he might react if chemical weapons are used, I don't know much about him. He looks stressed to hell, I don't blame him the level of suffering is horrendous, its made me feel ill today thinking about it.

A chemical attack will only increase the hatred of Ukrainians towards Russia, if Russia stoop so low any chance of peace will be gone, the Ukrainians won't accept it and Zelensky is good at one thing being a comedian, reading the room, he'll know the people would never forgive him if he ceded to Russian demands after something so abhorrent against the people
 
Has anyone here studied Zelensky? I wonder how he might react if chemical weapons are used, I don't know much about him. He looks stressed to hell, I don't blame him the level of suffering is horrendous, its made me feel ill today thinking about it.
how's he supposed to act? all he can do is wait and get angry at NATO whilst requesting a no fly zone.

The guys clearly desperate with nothing left just watching things unfold.
I'm assuming things haven't been so easy for Russia because America is feeding Ukraine constant up to date info on Russian movements and telling where to go for ambushes, which routes are clear etc.


USA must have real time surveillance 24/7 capability for some time by now
 
A chemical attack will only increase the hatred of Ukrainians towards Russia, if Russia stoop so low any chance of peace will be gone, the Ukrainians won't accept it and Zelensky is good at one thing being a comedian, reading the room, he'll know the people would never forgive him if he ceded to Russian demands after something so abhorrent against the people

I think it would end bad for them if they surrender without terms.
 
And no matter how much you try to hide, you will feel the effects of this war

Not sure what i'm hiding from quite frankly, i have visited the country plenty and have numerous work colleagues and some friends in Ukraine.

Only an irrational person would not be afraid of Putin.

USA must have real time surveillance 24/7 capability for some time by now

Nato have been flying round the clock surveillance missions since before the war started and thats just the stuff we can see on radar, god knows what's going on in space and on the ground.
 
how's he supposed to act? all he can do is wait and get angry at NATO whilst requesting a no fly zone.

The guys clearly desperate with nothing left just watching things unfold.
I'm assuming things haven't been so easy for Russia because America is feeding Ukraine constant up to date info on Russian movements and telling where to go for ambushes, which routes are clear etc.


USA must have real time surveillance 24/7 capability for some time by now


I know man I couldn't choose the right words, he seems to be cracking but I don't really know much about him.

Biden has made a big mistake here, he's just too weak and pathetic.
 
Nato have been flying round the clock surveillance missions since before the war started and thats just the stuff we can see on radar, god knows what's going on in space and on the ground.
They try to track every submarine on earth with satellites according to one of the palantir videos.

I guess tracking some convoys that barely move and predicting their path is easy
 
Only an irrational person would not be afraid of Putin.

His whole "thing" is making people scared of him, he's a bully and it's time we stood up to him, otherwise you're basically giving him free reign of the world to do as he pleases because nukes, scary boo....

Poland clearly not co confident in that and the US showing them a reason not to be too, in theory, it shouldn't matter whether they're delivered from Poland or from a US base in Germany unless the US is going to react differently and not treat a potential attack on Poland in the same way it would treat one vs its own airbase.

Basically saying they're okay with bombs falling on Poland first before they get involved lol
 
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