Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Firestar_3x said:
He apparently moved them to a bunker (Altayskoye Podvorie resort in the Altai Mountains), i presume they are still in it.
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Not much of a life to lead after nuclear armageddon , even if you survive.

living on a planet like a caveman/woman with the climate utterly destroyed? no thanks.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Trump questioned the point of the US being in NATO many times, his own NSA said he wanted to pull out of NATO and had to be persuaded not to, though he is convinced he would have pulled out in a second term. He lobbied for Russia to be allowed back into the G8 on numerous occasions, even saying he would invite him to the G7 against the wishes of the other leaders. He pulled the US out of the Open Skies Treaty.
It’s not just that orange man bad, though he is in just about every measurable way, it’s that he weakened the alliances that had been in place for decades.
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Trump questioned the point of NATO, because people in it weren't paying their fair share, is that terribly difficult to understand? It's really obvious to me, Trump was making a threat in order to gain some compliance, his responsibility was towards US tax payers getting a fair deal from NATO for their money. Period. He probably wanted to bring Russia back into the fold a bit in order to build better relationships with Putin, he also met with Kim Jong Un, you need to speak with your enemies, it doesn't mean you're suddenly on their side. This isn't even 200 IQ play by Trump, it's almost basic negotiating that morons take at face value.
 
Magic_x_uk said:
Would Putin really play with his nuclear aresnal, he like most of us, still have a family to look after, raise and love. He knows what pressing the red button would do.
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Not unless Russia was under existential threat you'd imagine, he knows the consequences, he cares about his country not just his personal family. The people around him also have family and friends and care about their country, it's unlikely they use nukes unless they have no other choice because they know the reality is Russia wouldn't exist an hour later.
 
Roar87 said:
Not unless Russia was under existential threat you'd imagine, he knows the consequences, he cares about his country not just his personal family. The people around him also have family and friends and care about their country, it's unlikely they use nukes unless they have no other choice because they know the reality is Russia wouldn't exist an hour later.
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He cares about his country and people in so much as he and his friends can steal as much money as possible from.
 
Roar87 said:
Trump questioned the point of NATO, because people in it weren't paying their fair share, is that terribly difficult to understand? It's really obvious to me, Trump was making a threat in order to gain some compliance, his responsibility was towards US tax payers getting a fair deal from NATO for their money. Period. He probably wanted to bring Russia back into the fold a bit in order to build better relationships with Putin, he also met with Kim Jong Un, you need to speak with your enemies, it doesn't mean you're suddenly on their side. This isn't even 200 IQ play by Trump, it's almost basic negotiating that morons take at face value.
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He also sided with Putin over his own intelligence agencies, publicly. That's not 4d chess, that's idiocy.
 
Roar87 said:
Not unless Russia was under existential threat you'd imagine, he knows the consequences, he cares about his country not just his personal family. The people around him also have family and friends and care about their country, it's unlikely they use nukes unless they have no other choice because they know the reality is Russia wouldn't exist an hour later.
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They have a saying, why do we need a world without Russia in it.

In other words, if you take us out we will take you with us type of thing.

To me that seems like something an obnoxious child would dream up but i think that is about the level they think at.
 
Roar87 said:
Trump questioned the point of NATO, because people in it weren't paying their fair share, is that terribly difficult to understand? It's really obvious to me, Trump was making a threat in order to gain some compliance, his responsibility was towards US tax payers getting a fair deal from NATO for their money. Period. He probably wanted to bring Russia back into the fold a bit in order to build better relationships with Putin, he also met with Kim Jong Un, you need to speak with your enemies, it doesn't mean you're suddenly on their side. This isn't even 200 IQ play by Trump, it's almost basic negotiating that morons take at face value.
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The Trump that was nearly impeached for trying to stop weapons going to Ukraine because zelensky wouldn't fake dirt on Biden?
 
Rroff said:
NATO is why it isn't spilling out beyond Ukraine. The UN, etc. should be involved with what you are talking about but useless in this situation.
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Think am just angry from seeing all the pictures of the destroyed cities, towns, schools etc and wondering how the world has basically allowed a single man (Putin) to control most of the world by his nuclear threats
 
chaparral said:
Think am just angry from seeing all the pictures of the destroyed cities, towns, schools etc and wondering how the world has basically allowed a single man (Putin) to control the world
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Duh!!. If he controlled the world there would be no sanctions on him.

*Shock Horror* Buildings get deatroyed in a war. /s
 
Jono8 said:
Not much of a life to lead after nuclear armageddon , even if you survive.

living on a planet like a caveman/woman with the climate utterly destroyed? no thanks.
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I imagine they have been moved to protect them from immediate threats i.e. a kidnap or assassination from those not happy with Putin.
 
Roar87 said:
Trump questioned the point of NATO, because people in it weren't paying their fair share, is that terribly difficult to understand? It's really obvious to me, Trump was making a threat in order to gain some compliance, his responsibility was towards US tax payers getting a fair deal from NATO for their money. Period.
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Trump's idea that other countries not spending as much was costing the US extra is a classic example of his inability to understand simple things. Meanwhile NATO acts as a force-multiplier for US influence and failing to grasp that is a classic example of Trump's inability to understand complex things. See also: the WTO.

He probably wanted to bring Russia back into the fold a bit in order to build better relationships with Putin, he also met with Kim Jong Un, you need to speak with your enemies, it doesn't mean you're suddenly on their side.
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Kim Jong Un ran rings around him, while Trump was busy undermining US influence by backtracking on US commitments around the world.
 
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