Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

chroniclard · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:16

Sankari said:
It's not illegal to seek asylum.

At a paltry £350 per month? That might tempt low income earners, but they're not really in a position to take refugees. It should be £500 per month, tax free.

Been thinking about it, got a spare room , money not really an issue but all my objections are for purely selfish reasons....I like my space! Wife is keen to help......

kinetic747 · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:16

Grim5 said:
Pretty much, anyone who tries to make that argument is one of those people who think the whole world should be one country and any person should be able to go anywhere on earth without borders and visas - and if you don't agree with that you are a racist

Oh come on, you know there's more to it than that. :rolleyes:

andybird123 · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:16

arknor said:
Dailymail just published an article saying putins reasoning is because he has Roid Rage from cancer treatment
when did they go full satire

I feel sorry for anyone who reads the DM and thinks they are a proper news-source and not just a bunch of trolls and click baiters

They weren't the first one to run this story, the independent first reported Putin had cancer in 2014. Even the latest round of this story has been up on most news sites for 6-7 days. I even saw an interview with a doctor, I think it was on BBC basically saying the same thing, so DM didn't just invent this story

Jokester · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:33

andybird123 said:
They weren't the first one to run this story, the independent first reported Putin had cancer in 2014.

Careful now, some people are quick to trigger over this.

D.P. · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:34

Clearcut said:
Makes my blood boil that. All the accommodation that would be available if they kicked out those tens of thousands who are here illegally and still coming.

If they are in the UK illegally then tehy aren't using government accomodation, but paying fpr accommodation themselves. If they are using government sponsored accomodation then they aren't in the UK illegally.

Make your mind up if they are illegal or not. Nothing that migrants ate perfectly legally required to apply for assylum.

kitch9 · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:34

garnett said:
Wow, it really is a rollcall of all of OCUK's finest...

Put the Express down. It's made you far too frightened.

You are incapable of understanding the point.

Calling those who want what you want but can see the glaring risks of a situation racist is a special kind of daft.

mid_gen · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:34

Sankari said:
It's not illegal to seek asylum.

Bingo. The people pretending to be opposed to 'illegal immigration', are always actually opposed to all asylum seekers and refugees.

Most people arriving as asylum seekers/refugees are accepted. Failed asylum seekers are a tiny, tiny proportion of the people that come into the UK each year.....yet they occupy vast tracts of real estate in the heads of particular people....where every problem in society can be blamed on them.

potatolord · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:34

0007 said:
*Ukraine Defence Minister: Foreign Military Instructors Work at Yavoriv Military Centre That Russia Attacked
https://twitter.com/oleksiireznikov/status/1502911608242196482

Quite big news. I'm assuming that place is a materiel hub, as well as an intelligence and military base.

Turn · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:36

*Polish President: If Putin Uses Weapons of Mass Destruction in Ukraine, NATO Will Have to Think Seriously About What to Do
https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1502939673123078144

mid_gen · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:37

Chris Wilson said:
He is brainwashed into believing preferring some races or countries of origin over others is the ultimate sin.

Nope, no racists here :rolleyes:

kitch9 · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:38

mid_gen said:
Bingo. The people pretending to be opposed to 'illegal immigration', are always actually opposed to all asylum seekers and refugees.

Most people arriving as asylum seekers/refugees are accepted. Failed asylum seekers are a tiny, tiny proportion of the people that come into the UK each year.....yet they occupy vast tracts of real estate in the heads of particular people....where every problem in society can be blamed on them.

The vast majority of the refugees from the Ukraine will be women, children and the infirm.

The "refugees," we're currently dealing with are the opposite. Do you not question this in your mind for at least a second?

D.P. · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:39

Clearcut said:
Xenophobia is the best you can respond with. There was no hate in my post. It was a perfectly reasonable comment. You types cannot be reasoned with sadly.

Surely anyone who cares about genuine refugees, would be concerned about people abusing the system who are not genuine no?

How do you know who is genuine?
What is the difference between an asylum seeker leaving the Russian masacre in Syria or the Ukraine? Is skin colour the only defining attribute to differentiate genuine refugees?

D.P. · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:46

Zatoichi.uK said:
If someone thinks you're xenophobic for opposing illegal migration there is no reasonable discussion to be had.

can you even define what illegal migration is? Because it is legal for a refugee from anywhere in the world to seek asylum in the UK for any reason. The UK has a legal obligation to process their application.

It really doesn't sound like you are complaining at illegal migration, but legal migrants. which absolutely does make you sound racist. So itwpuld help if you were to clarify

mid_gen · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:47

kitch9 said:
The vast majority of the refugees from the Ukraine will be women, children and the infirm.

The "refugees," we're currently dealing with are the opposite. Do you not question this in your mind for at least a second?

Do you think that because Russia invaded Ukraine that every other humanitarian situation around the world got magically fixed overnight?

D.P. · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:47

kitch9 said:
The vast majority of the refugees from the Ukraine will be women, children and the infirm.

The "refugees," we're currently dealing with are the opposite. Do you not question this in your mind for at least a second?

So a man can not be a refugee? Sounds awfully sexist to me.

Hagar · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:49

D.P. said:
How do you know who is genuine?
What is the difference between an asylum seeker leaving the Russian masacre in Syria or the Ukraine? Is skin colour the only defining attribute to differentiate genuine refugees?

Probably because they will likely seek asylum until the situation in their home country is resolved whereupon they will return to their menfolk and homes in Ukraine. On the other hand single young males are likely to stay in the UK preferring the greater work opportunities and freedoms available.

mid_gen · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:51

Hagar said:
On the other hand single young males are likely to stay in the UK preferring the greater work opportunities and freedoms available.

So....legal immigrants then....what's the problem?

kitch9 · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:52

D.P. said:
So a man can not be a refugee? Sounds awfully sexist to me.

The UK gets invaded by Russia tomorrow do you:

A) Abandon the wife and kids and jump on a boat alone?
B) Not abandon the wife and kids and put them on a boat instead?

It's really that simple.

mid_gen · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:54

kitch9 said:
The UK gets invaded by Russia tomorrow do you:

A) Abandon the wife and kids and jump on a boat alone?
B) Not abandon the wife and kids and put them on a boat instead?

It's really that simple.

I don't have a wife and kids. Am I allowed on one of these boats?

What's the buffet like?

kitch9 · 13 Mar 2022 at 09:54

D.P. said:
So a man can not be a refugee? Sounds awfully sexist to me.

I refer you back to my "hard facts of a situation," statement previously.