Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Eflour I studied a lot of what the CIA got up to in the past and it's shocking, the stuff they did in Vietnam as well was disgusting, our side are no angels.
 
I saw a video on MSNBC yesterday and someone mentioned that when the Nazi was invading Europe left right and center, they would leave the local German (non Jewish I expect) population alone. So the contrast to the Russian’s current mission to “protect the Russians in Ukraine” absurd.
 
Raymond Lin said:
I saw a video on MSNBC yesterday and someone mentioned that when the Nazi was invading Europe left right and center, they would leave the local German (non Jewish I expect) population alone. So the contrast to the Russian’s current mission to “protect the Russians in Ukraine” absurd.
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Someone mentioned that video earlier, I've not seen it yet. Most of the people in Mariupol are Russians and they're being slaughtered.

They bombed a mosque there earlier, there's no regard for life whatsoever.

https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-...people-were-sheltering-from-fighting-12564032
 
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Mik3 said:
Eflour I studied a lot of what the CIA got up to in the past and it's shocking, the stuff they did in Vietnam as well was disgusting, our side are no angels.
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Yeap, but we're the "good guys" so when we knowingly hit a hospital or school etc (as has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq) it's just a mistake and we say we're very sorry but when when Russia does it they're filthy, blood thirsty monsters etc.

The general population in the West seems to think there is some clear black/white delineation in warfare, that good guys do good and bad guys do bad, never once realising that it's is many shades of Grey instead. However, if they acknowledged that, it might shake their faith in the idea they have that "we're the good guys, we wouldn't do something 'evil' like knowingly target a hospital and then try to hide it" which is the lie they tell themselves.

You can see it play out with the Wikileaks stuff in Iraq etc, and even as recently as the Afghan pull-out only 6 months ago where a charity worker and his family including 7 children were deliberately targetted by a US drone strike whilst the Military and Press back-slapped each other, claiming it was a terrorist. It took months for the truth to get out and how did the public react "It was just a mistake, lets move on" because anything other reaction would have poked holes in their belief that, deep down, they're the good guys.
 
ianh said:
Yeap, but we're the "good guys" so when we knowingly hit a hospital or school etc (as has happened in Afghanistan and Iraq) it's just a mistake and we say we're very sorry but when when Russia does it they're filthy, blood thirsty monsters etc.

The general population in the West seems to think there is some clear black/white delineation in warfare, that good guys do good and bad guys do bad, never once realising that it's is many shades of Grey instead. However, if they acknowledged that, it might shake their faith in the idea they have that "we're the good guys, we wouldn't do something 'evil' like knowingly target a hospital and then try to hide it" which is the lie they tell themselves.

You can see it play out with the Wikileaks stuff in Iraq etc, and even as recently as the Afghan pull-out only 6 months ago where a charity worker and his family including 7 children were deliberately targetted by a US drone strike whilst the Military and Press back-slapped each other, claiming it was a terrorist. It took months for the truth to get out and how did the public react "It was just a mistake, lets move on" because anything other reaction would have poked holes in their belief that, deep down, they're the good guys.
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I know its a terrible world, humans are not happy unless we're making each other miserable. Some people were punished for war crimes for Iraq and Afgan, but the punishment is often light and most war crimes go unpunished. The same happened in Vietnam that war was horrific.
 
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France? They wave the white flag the first chance they get :D

We have been by far the strongest in this so far, even more so than US I would say.

Although I absolutely agree with Macron now, the EU needs its own army and the UK needs to be involved in that.
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I said France because in the EU they are the only ones who have nukes.

You're right though. The UK needs to be part of this too.
 
Dailymail just published an article saying putins reasoning is because he has Roid Rage from cancer treatment :cry:
when did they go full satire
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I feel sorry for anyone who reads the DM and thinks they are a proper news-source and not just a bunch of trolls and click baiters
 
Fourstar said:
@Freakbro, @Mr Jack

Just been catching up with Harry's Farm on YT and he talks about fertiliser costs on his farm. On average he used to spend around £25,000, this year is £42,000 and if he were to order now for next year £100,000. That is for the same acreage and crops.

He raises the point what price must wheat be to support that fertiliser price, not to mention fuel and all the other inputs also going up. Is it worth the risk for farmers and are banks willing to lend that amount against what is a fairly risky venture anyway?

Just after 4 mins in.
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Ukraine is one of the worlds bread baskets grain is one of their chief exports a huge amount goes overseas with this war they aren't going to be able to get their seed into the ground theres going to be shortages this year global prices could go through the roof so who knows he could see a decent return.

Maccapacca said:
Trump wasn’t asleep at the wheel and in need of a diaper change during WW3
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Shush, you shouldn't make fun of the elderly and infirm. Besides it makes all the lefties apoplectic if you dare say anything naughty about St. Biden they can't deal with it, anyone who doesn't worship at the shrine is by default an extreme right winger. I mean its obvious right?

Mik3 said:
France? They wave the white flag the first chance they get :D

We have been by far the strongest in this so far, even more so than US I would say.

Although I absolutely agree with Macron now, the EU needs its own army and the UK needs to be involved in that.
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Its France being France or rather Macron being Macron he/they think France owns the EU and should do as it says and is ideologicially opposed to the post war world order they resent the idea of Britain and by extension America reordering the post WW2 world via NATO they think French culture and language is superior and should be dominant instead (he's trying to do exactly this with the EU but the others and especially eastern europe aren't playing ball) as well as a separate military for the EU that doesn't rely on the US or Britain that would be dominated, naturally, by France. Macron hates us for leaving the EU it was germany who said "let them go" when the negotiations dragged on incessently Macron would have never let it go as it stood otherwise. I shouldn't wonder if he resents us for defeating Napolean one of his personal heroes too. In short France ain't going to let us near a EU defence force if Macron has anything to say about it.

In anycase if you think any EU defence force is more likely to go gung ho in Ukraine to confront Russia you're likely to be disappointed.
 
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