Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Kill_Phil said:
Are you going to be a host out of interest? The reality is people are conscious of money and it's a measly sum tbh, especially when the Govt will end up forking out 10 x the cost on hotel bills
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Would that I could. I am between houses myself at the moment camped out at MIL. However I think that it is a good thing for people that can afford it to do. If it is still needed when I get my house, I will do it.
 
arknor said:
oh wait they are the good guys now and not nazis at all, Zelensky is Jewish so there's obviously none of this stuff happening in his country.. this is just propaganda from Western media.

How quickly western media changes it tunes
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I don't think many people have denied it exists - but it is like judging the whole of England on the basis of the small number of dregs of humanity that wash up causing trouble in foreign holiday resorts like Magaluf.
 
0007 said:
"Russia is offering oil and other commodities at a heavy discount. We will be happy to take that. We have some issues like tanker, insurance cover and oil blends to be resolved. Once we have that we will take the discount offer," one of the Indian government officials said.
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Time to sanction India, give Pakistan a helping hand?

Looks like China, Russia, India are in bed.
 
arknor said:
he's not my poster boy, I'm critical of both sides. just don't like seeing misinformation and blatant propaganda getting in the way of any facts
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Yeah, course you are.

What propaganda? The west has not denied there are right wing groups, much like the UK with the BNP in Ukraine, but that doesn't mean they are Nazis.
 
Rroff said:
I don't think many people have denied it exists - but it is like judging the whole of England on the basis of the small number of dregs of humanity that wash up causing trouble in foreign holiday resorts like Magaluf.
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those dregs don't get supported and armed by our government though, to suggest Ukraine did nothing wrong and to picture them as totally innocent seems like hypocrisy.

western media was all about the nazi influence a few years ago now pretend it doesn't exist and putins just a mad man seeing things that don't exist

by our reasoning in the middle east it would be like Taliban training camps and a good excuse to start a war
alchal said:
What propaganda? The west has not denied there are right wing groups, much like the UK with the BNP in Ukraine, but that doesn't mean they are Nazis.
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so your suggesting azzov aren't nazi? you realise it's an army battalion of the Ukraine government right? not some small unsupported group doing it's own thing?
 
arknor said:
he's not my poster boy, I'm critical of both sides. just don't like seeing misinformation and blatant propaganda getting in the way of any facts
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There’s no misinformation, the Azov brigade are a bunch of neo-nazi loons, not far off some of the groups that operated in the Balkans in the 90’s.
I also suspect its largely their involvement in the disputed regions that’s caused Putin to start referring to Nazism in Ukraine.

That said - are we going to stop backing Ukraine because of the existence of a neo-nazi paramilitary unit? Unlikely.

Regardless - Russia invaded another country with zero legitimate grounds or provocation.
 
These guys are Nazis . Ethno fascists.
But they are on the right side just now so it's all roses.
Russian bad. Nazi ok.
 
alchal said:
Time to sanction India, give Pakistan a helping hand?

Looks like China, Russia, India are in bed.
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Not a very palatable course of action but if India continues to take another path to the interests of the rest of the world giving support to Pakistan becomes a significant consideration.
 
arknor said:
Russias fault azzov battalion has whats basically a twisted swatstika on their uniform as well? Russias fault they azzov battalion indoctrinating kids as nazis and teaching them to hate Russia?
2nd video at the start child says "we will leave Moscow in ruins, we will conquer the whole world" who else said that?

almost seems like a terrorist organisation by any other name, in the middle east that's what they would be

oh wait they are the good guys now and not nazis at all, Zelensky is Jewish so there's obviously none of this stuff happening in his country.. this is just propaganda from Western media.

How quickly western media changes it tunes
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https://www.economist.com/the-econo...e-wagner-group-russias-mercenary-organisation

Wagner is a network of companies and groups. According to a European Union regulation last December, implementing sanctions against the group and certain people, it was founded by Dmitry Utkin, a former Russian soldier adorned with Nazi tattoos. It was reportedly named after Hitler’s favourite composer. In December 2016 Mr Utkin was photographed alongside Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, at a Kremlin event, hinting at the group’s powerful ties.
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I don't know why they allow said battalion to exist, presumably it's a matter of necessity rather than desire or perhaps the way they operate their military is more complex than can be easily surmised from what's available online, but the fact is that Zelenskyy is a Jew and he along with his government is currently being supported by dozens of countries that have no interest in supporting Nazism... so something is amiss with Russia's frankly projective claims.
 
Mr Jack said:
This morning I looked up Russia's military budget. In cash terms, it's about the same as the UK and France, a little higher than Germany's. That's all. About a twelfth of the US, or a quarter of China.

With that it's claiming the largest force of tanks in the World, the most self propelled artillery, the largest number of towed artillery and rocket launchers, and the 3rd largest number of armoured vehicles. On top of that it claims the second largest number of planes and the second largest navy. Over 50x as many tanks as the UK has on the same budget.

Now I know Russia pays its soldiers in buttons, and so on, but military equipment is sold on a global market. It's no wonder that they're turning out to have poorly maintained crap, their military is so vastly bloated over what they're actually paying for that it cannot possibly be maintained at a globally competitive level.
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Yes that is true but the Germans found out that having elite tanks being out numbered 10-1 is not good.

When challenger 3 is done it will more than likely be able to take out 10 to 1 soviet tanks but for infantry it is a lot easier fighting against less tanks.

Also what are you comparing Russia's losses too? Afghanistan/Iraq?

This isn't the same as those wars. Russia and Ukraine are both military powers fighting it out over tough flat land. Huge losses are bound to happen regardless of the quality of equipment.

I just find the total disregard to Russia's army will give us a bloody nose if it does go to war. Which I hope it doesn't as we are woefully under prepared for such a scenario and also lack the experience against a real world army.
 
Rroff said:
Not a very palatable course of action but if India continues to take another path to the interests of the rest of the world giving support to Pakistan becomes a significant consideration.
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Which would be another blow to the Brexit “strategy” - no deal with America, no deal with India - might as well re-join the EU
 
chrismscotland said:
There’s no misinformation, the Azov brigade are a bunch of neo-nazi loons, not far off some of the groups that operated in the Balkans in the 90’s.
I also suspect its largely their involvement in the disputed regions that’s caused Putin to start referring to Nazism in Ukraine.

That said - are we going to stop backing Ukraine because of the existence of a neo-nazi paramilitary unit? Unlikely.

Regardless - Russia invaded another country with zero legitimate grounds or provocation.
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Not only invaded but in the process of razing it and murdering a bunch of civilians as well.
 
arknor said:
Russias fault azzov battalion has whats basically a twisted swatstika on their uniform as well? Russias fault they azzov battalion indoctrinating kids as nazis and teaching them to hate Russia?
2nd video at the start child says "we will leave Moscow in ruins, we will conquer the whole world" who else said that?

almost seems like a terrorist organisation by any other name, in the middle east that's what they would be

oh wait they are the good guys now and not nazis at all, Zelensky is Jewish so there's obviously none of this stuff happening in his country.. this is just propaganda from Western media.

How quickly western media changes it tunes
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Have you seen russian nazis? If you haven't then go do your reaserch, it might surprise you.
 
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