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Freakbro said:
I guess the difference is we don't intentionally target civilian areas as military targets but if civilians are in our way of a military objective we won't let it stop us, we'll just say sorry afterwards and call them collateral damage.

So when it comes to war, it's not that we're the good guys just lesser bad guys than the others....mostly.
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Doesn't help that the enemy used civilian suicide bombers regularly which unfortunately makes everyone a potential enemy.
 
I thought it was only a day or so ago that Putin was saying he was all in on Ukraine and getting things done to the original objectives.
 
Dis86 said:
At least we (UK) seem to be pretty damn good at avoiding civilian casualties. The US are a different matter but they also have a habit of hitting their allies...
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Yea, sorry I was more meaning the US, and their representation of "The West" in general in conflicts. As Fallujah was mentioned, where they used White Phosphorus, thermobaric weapons and depleted uranium munitions and flattened the place.

StriderX said:
Doesn't help that the enemy used civilian suicide bombers regularly which unfortunately makes everyone a potential enemy.
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Oh absolutely, there's no nice way to fight a war. In a similar vein, we said at the start when Ukraine armed its citizens it put citizens up as a valid target. Not that it would have stopped the Russians doing what they're doing even if they haven't, it's their standard tactic anyway.
 
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*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Mediation Is Welcome From Countries Who Don’t Sanction
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The Important Objectives for Russia Are Security of People in Eastern Ukraine, and the Demilitarisation in Ukraine.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The US Has Decisive Role in Defining of Position of Ukrainian Authorities.
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https://twitter.com/ReutersGMF/status/1504017185164824576
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0007 said:
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Peace Talks With Ukraine Aren’t Easy, but There Are Certain Hope for Compromise
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The Current Crisis Is a Critical Moment, It Will Define the World Order.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: A Neutral Status for Ukraine Is Being Seriously Considered.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Some Formulations Of Agreements With Ukraine Are Close To Being Agreed - RTRS
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Problem Is Not Only Neutrality Of Ukraine, Usage Of Russian Language, Freedom Of Speech Are Also Important - RTRS
"I rely on the opinion of our negotiators. They say that negotiations have not been easy for apparent reasons but still there is certain hope for reaching a compromise," Lavrov said in an interview with the RBC channel.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: Mediation Is Welcome From Countries Who Don’t Sanction
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The Important Objectives for Russia Are Security of People in Eastern Ukraine, and the Demilitarisation in Ukraine.
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The US Has Decisive Role in Defining of Position of Ukrainian Authorities.
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*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The US Has Shown Little Interest in Resolving the Ukraine Crisis.
*Negotiations With Ukraine Are Difficult and Slow, but Russia Is Sincere in Its Desire for Peace – According to IFX Cites a Russian Negotiator.
https://twitter.com/C_Barraud/status/1504018289600700419
~sorry for all the different posts, didn't realize this much would be said
 
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Ayahuasca said:
I thought it was only a day or so ago that Putin was saying he was all in on Ukraine and getting things done to the original objectives.
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Yeah and now he is going to any worn torn country he can to recruit their militias

It's just a detail point really, 'winning'

:D:p
 
0007 said:
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The Important Objectives for Russia Are Security of People in Eastern Ukraine, and the Demilitarisation in Ukraine.
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I love how they keep demanding demilitarisation - in other words we want to try this again and not be defeated. How can any country thats failed to invade demand the invaded country give up its military capabilities. The only time that works is when you have won.
 
Dis86 said:
At least we (UK) seem to be pretty damn good at avoiding civilian casualties. The US are a different matter but they also have a habit of hitting their allies...
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The US have a nasty habit of their own forces engaging each other as well. Hence their push for systems such as Blue Force Tracker after GW1.
 
Guys,

I've asked about three times now (not getting salty) - just think it is worth discussion.

The Project 22160 ship that was "sunk"; was that ever confirmed? No MSM have picked it up at all? Presumably it is easy to prove?
 
Well it sound very much like Zelensky will garauntee no NATO membership. I guess this gives Putin a win so he doesn't have to be utterly embarrassed.
 
Seems Ukraine Army is now going on the offensive; the land bridge in the South will want to be cleared and the russian forces pushed out


Question - will Russian tanks start putting ERA panels on top surfaces?
 
Jono8 said:
Well it sound very much like Zelensky will garauntee no NATO membership. I guess this gives Putin a win so he doesn't have to be utterly embarrassed.
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Tbh as a Nato member I am concerned we don't have Ukraine in it :D:cry::eek:
 
Smokey Deza said:
They are all pro Russian regions, no one cares. Actually, it was mostly Obama that set the trend in the US, as he couldn't give a toss. And whilst yeah, Trump did nothing, at least he didn't say that Ukraine was a core interest of Moscow, and they shouldn't be in NATO being so close to scary Russia. You want to assign blame? There's a far, far greater argument against the saintly, Nobel Peace Prize winner for the state of the world than Trump right now, with his naive foreign policy and 'red line' bluster. And as if Trump would have pulled out of NATO by the way. If it comes to it, the yanks control NATO forces, and with the alliance near dominating Europe, it would be weaker to sever themselves from it given their geographic isolation. It was nothing more than political grandstanding to win votes.

And what could he do about China building islands? Send in the navy and blockade all the dredgers in their own backyard, raising tensions in one of the busiest trade regions in the world? Would be a pretty stupid thing to do... If he's as dumb as you claim, I'm wondering why he didn't do just that? In sensible terms that were clearly recognised, it is a vital sea corridor to the Middle East the US needs, and it's more important than China building big sandcastles and bullying out foreign fisherman. Yes, they are breaking some international maritime laws etc, but really, like they care as whose gonna stop them anyway? The US is probably scared of China's military capabilities in anti-ship ballistics and supersonic missiles, and rightly so too in that scenario.

But at least Trump did have his boot on their neck through other means. Trade tariffs, reviving relations with Taiwan, 'China Virus'. Unlike Biden, who is nervous as cats when it comes to China, for better or worse, Trump took a real hardline that was needed. And every country with a bee in their bonnet probably flies into another sovereign's airspace from time to time. Russia will send the odd one here, but never dozens of warplanes in a show of force. So as I've said, that didn't happen on Trump's watch because he's too busy smack talking China, or talking of 'totally destroying' North Korea in front of the UN or wherever it was. I mean, does that sound like someone you want to trifle with, threatening the obliteration of another country who calls their leader 'rocket man'. It's hilariously undiplomatic, the guy just didn't give a ****.

Didn't actually happen, of course, but despite that, you still think he'd put us on course for WW3. Why? Rallying a mob of peasants is hardly in the same league as starting nuclear armageddon. Same as all his belligerent finger pointing and combative attitude on the world stage. Whether you like it or not, it projects strength, which is kinda mandatory for the #1 military of the world. Instead, you would prefer sleepy Joe, who on a good day with all his marbles is nothing more than the wet lettuce we can't have. The US media might not report on it, but the Australian press eat him alive on a daily basis. I presume that's still the case, although I've not seen any for a while now, as his constant incoherent bumbling speeches and inability to exhibit any kind of leadership became too irritating to watch, given how it is perceived internationally.
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This isn't an Obama vs Trump debate. Obama ****** up regarding Ukraine, he wasn't the only nation to though but everyone takes their lead from the US so its not a surprise that Ukraine was hung out to dry when the US did nothing. And there is the problem with Trump, no ally trusted him. You honestly think that if the US was even still in NATO now that the west would have rallied behind Ukraine if Trump was in charge? You think Trump would have been on the phone to world leaders getting them on the same page, invoking sanctions that hurt their own economies but cripple Russia? You are living in the land of make believe if you believe that. The US is leading again, I'm not a Biden fan, he's too old and its time for new blood but at least the US is leading in a time of crisis. There is not a chance Trump would have helped galvanise the world in response to this crisis.

I never said Trump would lead us into WW3. Stop putting words in my mouth. I said the last thing you need is Trump in charge in a situation that could lead to WW3. Famously unstable, quick to temper, fragile ego, narcissistic sociopath, not trusted by his own advisors, let alone the pentagon or intelligence agencies.
 
*Russia Needs Peaceful, Free, Neutral, Friendly, Independent and Non-NATO Ukraine – IFX Cites Russian Negotiator

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*Large-Scale Disruptions to Russian Oil Supplies Threaten a ‘Global Oil Supply Shock,’ IEA Says
*IEA Sees Russian Oil Output Slumping by a Quarter Next Month.
*IEA Says 3Mln Bpd of Russian Oil Could Be Shut In Next Month – RTRS
https://www.reuters.com/business/en...sian-oil-could-be-shut-next-month-2022-03-16/

*The United States and the United Kingdom Will Begin Bilateral Trade and Investment Talks Next Week, According to The Wall Street Journal. https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-u-...de-investment-dialogues-next-week-11647421203
*Trade and Supply Chains Are Being Impacted by Rising Energy Prices Linked to the Invasion, According to the German Economy Ministry.
*German Economy Ministry: The Impact of Russia’s Invasion of Ukraine on German Economy Hard to Quantify at Moment.
*German Economy Ministry: Accelerating Inflation Will Subdue Private Consumption This Year.
 
0007 said:
*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The Current Crisis Is a Critical Moment, It Will Define the World Order.
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Yes, we will look back and say it is the moment when Russia was no longer a superpower and that it was overtaken by China. I liken this to when Britain's role declined and we became a junior partner to the US. Russia is now becoming a junior partner to China.

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*Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov: The US Has Shown Little Interest in Resolving the Ukraine Crisis.
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It is in the US interest for this conflict to carry on. It's causing Russia to grind much of its assets. They get to watch Russia's tactics, they get to study how western weapons fare against them. They get to see Russia's economy hurt which will help slow them from replacing lost hardware in the near future. The US are probably loving this.

The biggest risk is that Russia will forecver be in China's sphere of influence which could be problematic long term.
 
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