Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Mr Jack said:
I didn't say it was Russian, I said it was a Russian framing. It's traditionally been the way we refer to it in Britain, and many other countries (in German it was "die Ukraine") but that "the" comes from a Russian way of speaking about it. Just as in English we refer to "the Cotswolds" or "the fens" to refer to parts of our country, "the Ukraine" comes from Russian's speaking of Ukraine as a region rather than an independent nation, this Ukraine has for some time asked others to drop the "the" (or "die" or whatever) from their name.
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It’s not ownership. At least get your English grammar correct if you are trying to make someone else feel crap on a public forum.
The as a definite article is not normally used with countries… the exceptions list itself makes no sense. It’s purely linguistic and nothing to do with possession.

edit- jack replying to the multi posts. Just happened to quote yours as last one.
 
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Custor said:
It’s not ownership. At least get your English grammar correct if you are trying to make someone else feel crap on a public forum.
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I am not trying to make anyone feel crap, I am merely explaining why Ukraine prefer the "the" to be dropped. You can google it yourself if you do not care for my explanation.

arknor said:
doesn't France call it self the France
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No idea, I was even worse at French than German at school, and all I've learnt since is how to order mulled wine when snowboarding.
 
*US Official: If the War Drags, Putin Is Likely to Make Nuclear Threats.
*Ukraine Says 3,810 People Were Evacuated from Cities Through Humanitarian Corridors on Thursday — Interfax Ukraine News Agency
https://twitter.com/JasonHoffman93/status/1504556435379793920
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-says-3-810-people-202550662.html

* 'Some employees at Russian oil giant Rosneft are resisting pressure to attend a celebratory show in a Moscow stadium on Friday to mark the 8th anniversary of Russia's annexation of Crimea, seeing the event as an endorsement of the war in Ukraine, sources say.'
"We understand that it would be in support of the war and everybody in the office understands this," one Rosneft employee said on condition of anonymity, fearing reprisals.
"No way can we support a war," the employee said, adding she would use her day off as an excuse not to attend the event.
https://www.reuters.com/world/some-...esist-pressure-attend-crimea-show-2022-03-17/
 
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Minusorange said:

Putin choosing hard mode by making NATO stronger than it has ever been
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WITH RUSSIA'S POOR SHOWING IN THE UKRAINE .. he's never going to attack anything else ... he will try and hold what he has .. but with the in flux of troops and eu/us weapons' .. there may be a long road ahead ..
the only thing he could do to show some kind of strength is a tactical nuke .. but that atm is very risky .. only other option which he should have done from the start is put 75% of his army in the ukraine .. but he thought kids would do it ?????
 
Rroff said:
However given his capitalisation, the rest of the post and related posts earlier, I think he was be contemptuous with the The.
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I don't think so. For those of us who were taught to use "the Ukraine", just referring to it as "Ukraine" sounds strange and ungrammatical. Chris, I believe, is old enough to have been raised with the former style of reference.
 
There's been a couple of hints that at least from an external POV some of China's state media have been posting negative stories about Russia's "special operation", including reporting the killing of the 10 civilians while queuing for bread and the theatre in Mariupol. If China's support for Russia's aggression is waning this is great news.
 
China never supported this from day 1. China and Ukrain are close trading partners who do a lot of business with each other.

When China abstained in that vote it was a slap in the face to Russia, they usually always sopport them no matter what, seems this was a step to far.
 
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'LIVE: UN Security Council holds emergency meeting amid the ongoing Ukraine crisis':
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*Russia’s UN Envoy: The Proposed UN Security Council Resolution on Ukraine Will Not Be Put to a Vote on Friday.
https://twitter.com/TRTWorldNow/status/1504562147468132360 - 'Moscow will not put its draft UN Security Council resolution on Ukraine to a vote on Friday – Russia's UN envoy Nebenzya'

*China’s UN Envoy: We Are Seriously Concerned About the Situation in Ukraine.
*China’s UN Envoy Calls for ‘Maximum Restraint’ in Ukraine War
 
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Mr Jack said:
I don't think so. For those of us who were taught to use "the Ukraine", just referring to it as "Ukraine" sounds strange and ungrammatical. Chris, I believe, is old enough to have been raised with the former style of reference.
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That isn't how I read it with the intentional use of the capital T and overall contemptuous and flippant points he was trying to make.
 
Goodness knows what Beijing thinks, you'd think Russia's conquest of Outer Manchuria would make them rather angry, but they also require allies in their fight against the US-centric order.

Beijing will do whatever benefits them most for their own greater nation desires.
 
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flea.rider said:
WITH RUSSIA'S POOR SHOWING IN THE UKRAINE .. he's never going to attack anything else ... he will try and hold what he has .. but with the in flux of troops and eu/us weapons' .. there may be a long road ahead ..
the only thing he could do to show some kind of strength is a tactical nuke .. but that atm is very risky .. only other option which he should have done from the start is put 75% of his army in the ukraine .. but he thought kids would do it ?????
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It is worrying that Russia needs a pretext here, an unassailable trigger point, for a greater effort by their military to brush past any reluctance at home.

StriderX said:
Goodness knows what Beijing thinks, you'd think Russia's conquest of Outer Manchuria would make them rather angry, but they also they require allies in their fight against the US-centric order.

Beijing will do whatever benefits them most for their own greater nation desires.
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China has many options here but neither alienating the wider world and/or throwing their full might behind Russia is a good play for them.

If Russia collapses it probably plays to their advantage in that they can probably grab some of the bits more useful to them with little opposition, their ideal position is keeping the world on side while doing just enough to keep the conflict simmering weakening both the US and Russia and keeping the US attention away from them.
 
No point backing a loser and possibly falling with them. Even if Russia wins in Ukraine the long-term prospects for Russia's prosperity are limited and all Ukraine's resources would do is prolong the misery.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Oh God, alright, thanks, just as I was coming to terms with "people of colour", I'll crawl back in my linguistically historic cave.
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The change from 'the Ukraine' to 'Ukraine' was officially made in 1993. I'm not sure how you missed it, unless you weren't born yet.
 
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