Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chris Wilson said:
I have a lot of Jewish friends and a lot of respect for them, but some of them just can't resist using the race card if things look as if they aren't going their way, and Zelensky hasn't disappointed here. I had a little bet with someone he'd play it by the end of the month, but he's tossed his card on the table early...
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Impossible to avoid when he's literally talking to Israeli lawmakers and also invariably relevant to the conflict per the fact that Putin's rationale was mostly ethnonationalism.
 
kindai said:
Another Russian General dead.

Bad profession to be in :D Whats that, the 6th, 7th?
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Which one are you referring to - has there been yeat another new one reported today? :D

I think there are 6 if you count the (disputed) Chechen one. 4 Russian Maj Generals, 1 Chechen guy + the Lt General reported yesterday (who seems to be the highest-ranked one killed so far).
 
To me, an interesting article in the Jerusalem Post about how Zelensky may be using the fear of a massive influx of Ukrainian Jewish refugees back to Israel to draw them further into this conflict:

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-701632

The ramifications and political stunts of this conflict are being publicised to a degree never seen before, it's as if the war is as much media based as being fought by boots on the ground.
 
Starting to get sticky for Putin.

'Researchers say Russia's invasion reaching deadly stalemate.'

After more than three weeks, the war in Ukraine has reached a stalemate, and Russian forces are making only small gains, the New York Times writes.

Driving the news: That was the assessment Saturday from the Institute for the Study of War, a widely respected D.C. research group.

"Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war," the note says. "That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine." That failed.

"Russian forces continue to make limited advances in some parts of the theater but are very unlikely to be able to seize their objectives in this way."
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Can Zelensky turtle for the win?
 
Chris Wilson said:
I have a lot of Jewish friends and a lot of respect for them, but some of them just can't resist using the race card if things look as if they aren't going their way, and Zelensky hasn't disappointed here. I had a little bet with someone he'd play it by the end of the month, but he's tossed his card on the table early...
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He's tailoring his speeches for the country (or group of countries, e.g. the EU) he's speaking to at the time. In this case, Israel. In political terms it's the right thing for him to do in this case - he needs help from other countries ASAP, so it makes sense for him to be pitching it for the country he's speaking to at the time. He also has a point in this case. Putin's goal is the eradication of Ukraine and there is prior precedent of genocide in Ukraine from someone Putin admires (Stalin) and that was done in pusuit of the same goals Putin has now. The current situation isn't genocide but there is reasonable cause for drawing parallels.

dowie said:
Which one are you referring to - has there been yeat another new one reported today? :D

I think there are 6 if you count the (disputed) Chechen one. 4 Russian Maj Generals, 1 Chechen guy + the Lt General reported yesterday (who seems to be the highest-ranked one killed so far).
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I wonder if they were all killed by Ukrainian soldiers trying to stop the invasion. Maybe one or more of them was deemed to be insufficiently obedient and was disposed of. It wouldn't be the first time an authoritarian regime did that.
 
Tefal said:
Yeah I think that's the escalation risk, and icbm is you're flattening everything to make sure it gets through, so it's q last resort you're firing them all

This thing while useful conventionally could also be seen as a "tactical" platform for nukes, which means they may be more likely used.

But I suspect the biggest worry with these things is more them hitting radars or carriers etc. They will get past the patriot, iorn dome or CARMs guns and potentially hit nice shiny things but not nuclear just an unavoidable cruse missile
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Also, since it's Russia we're talking about, there are other questions too like do they actually work/exist as claimed etc.. so far this recent use is a bit sus:


Angilion said:
I wonder if they were all killed by Ukrainian soldiers trying to stop the invasion. Maybe one or more of them was deemed to be insufficiently obedient and was disposed of. It wouldn't be the first time an authoritarian regime did that.
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Well the recent one was via that artillery/rocket strike on the helicopters near Kherson IIRC and one was claimed as a kill by a Ukrainian sniper, not sure about all of them though.
 
Chris Wilson said:
To me, an interesting article in the Jerusalem Post about how Zelensky may be using the fear of a massive influx of Ukrainian Jewish refugees back to Israel to draw them further into this conflict:

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-701632
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Wow, could you spin this more dishonestly if you tried? The article doesn't say anything like that. On the contrary, it says that Ukrainians don't want to go to Israel at all, and this is a common trend among foreign Jews seeking asylum. They prefer alternative countries of refuge because Israel is simply not a great place to live. Unbelievable that you tried to concoct some kind of 'refugee threat' from Zelensky out of an article that not only doesn't actually say this, but doesn't even mention his name.

The ramifications and political stunts of this conflict are being publicised to a degree never seen before
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Nonsense.

it's as if the war is as much media based as being fought by boots on the ground.
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That's been the case with every war since Vietnam, which was the first war extensively covered by the media.
 
Chris Wilson said:
To me, an interesting article in the Jerusalem Post about how Zelensky may be using the fear of a massive influx of Ukrainian Jewish refugees back to Israel to draw them further into this conflict:

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/article-701632

The ramifications and political stunts of this conflict are being publicised to a degree never seen before, it's as if the war is as much media based as being fought by boots on the ground.
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I think that's only due to the improvements in global communication systems. War has always been partly media based, even when the only media was face to face speeches. Carthago delenda est.
 
Chris Wilson said:
I have a lot of Jewish friends and a lot of respect for them, but some of them just can't resist using the race card if things look as if they aren't going their way, and Zelensky hasn't disappointed here. I had a little bet with someone he'd play it by the end of the month, but he's tossed his card on the table early...
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The only person playing the race card is you.
 
Angilion said:
I think that's only due to the improvements in global communication systems. War has always been partly media based, even when the only media was face to face speeches. Carthago delenda est.
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Yes, indeed, I totally agree, but now a military budget must have to include a huge amount for the back room boys who infiltrate global media at all levels, and to a cost that far usurps anything seen previously. A whole new depth of meaning to the expression "keyboard warriors" :)
 
As far as i'm concerened zelensky can play any cards he likes.

You have to remember they are at war and desperate, if any cards he plays gets results then thats good strategy. Results matter right now, not how bad he looks to some people
 
*U.S. Envoy to U.N. Decries Reports of Ukrainians Deported to Russia
'Accounts that thousands of residents of Ukraine's besieged port city of Mariupol have been forcibly deported to Russia are "disturbing" and "unconscionable" if true, U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Linda Thomas-Greenfield said on Sunday.'
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-en...claims-ukrainians-deported-russia-2022-03-20/

*ECB’s De Guindos: Inflation in the Euro Zone Will Likely Be Higher for Longer than Projected Before the Ukraine War – Handelsblatt.
https://www.ecb.europa.eu/press/inter/date/2022/html/ecb.in220320~128511ec7c.en.html
 
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Chris Wilson said:
Yes, indeed, I totally agree, but now a military budget must have to include a huge amount for the back room boys who infiltrate global media at all levels, and to a cost that far usurps anything seen previously. A whole new depth of meaning to the expression "keyboard warriors" :)
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it already happened, America realised how important the media is when they messed up and let journalists see what really happens in a war under Bush
 
nsmalley said:
I thought about this, but I actually think it would be counterproductive. In game comms, discord, TeamSpeak etc are not censored by the state atm so could be used to get around the state propaganda
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Epic cited similar reasoning, 'keeping communications open'. Doesn't add up. They're all on WhatsApp anyway, and if the US banned LoL in Iran/Syria, why have they not instructed Epic Games to ban Fortnight in Russia? Doesn't make sense given the circumstances.

Also, the #1 PC game in Russia (would you believe it) is World of Tanks. The console version is also quite popular. And the best bit? It's made by the company 'Wargaming'. A Belarusian company :o
 
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