Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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ubersonic said:
One of the big problems is, it's clear now that Russia currently doesn't have the power to take the whole of Ukraine, but also that Ukraine doesn't have the power to push them back out of Ukraine. This means Russia can just keep feeding troops into the meat grinder and building new tanks/planes but Ukraine can't do the same as their tank/aircraft factories are in the country being invaded.

Unless the US can either find a way to bring Putin to heel, or actually start doing something more than sanctions/weapons there's a good chance Ukraine may have to cave just to avoid years of bloodshed/destruction.
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Given what's already occurred I think they're committed now. They've already sacrificed far too much to cave imo.
 
Basically my view is that if Ukraine stand down and agree to anything Putin is asking for they’ll just be attacked again at a later date. Crimea was taken and they came back for more and now they’re trying this and will be back for more. They either win, Putin pulls out and dies or this will drag for years to come with many more casualties both sides.
 
Amnesia said:
I didn't say or believe it's one sided, that 7k troops loss for Russia is one I agreed with and even quoted the same figure myself yesterday but just because Russia is standing outside cities and bombarding does not mean that isn't their plan.

Do they march troops to their deaths into a heavily guarded city with ambushes on every strategic corner or sit outside and bomb that city into submission.
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Meanwhile western nations supply massive amounts of anti-air weaponry meaning they're forced to use long range missiles that can be intercepted. They don't have an endless supply of missiles and due to sanctions will find it hard to replace them quickly.
 
grudas said:
Basically my view is that if Ukraine stand down and agree to anything Putin is asking for they’ll just be attacked again at a later date. Crimea was taken and they came back for more and now they’re trying this and will be back for more. They either win, Putin pulls out and dies or this will drag for years to come with many more casualties both sides.
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Unfortunately this is likely the case, and Ukraine won't be able to rebuild it's military as fast as Russia might be able to get some more of it's better equipment back up and running and sort out a plan for the next time that is based more in reality than the one they seemed to have been using this time was.
 
grudas said:
Basically my view is that if Ukraine stand down and agree to anything Putin is asking for they’ll just be attacked again at a later date.
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This is one of the big problems. Russia agreed with multiple nations never to invade Ukraine, they went back on it. Putin swore to multiple western leaders he had nothing to do with the uprising in Crimea, he lied. Putin swore to multiple western leaders he wasn't going to invade Ukraine, he lied.

What value would a truce with him have at this point.
 
I feel that this war is not going to end anytime soon, and eventually NATO will declare war on Russia, Ukraine is in ruins, piles of dead russians mean that russia is paying a heavy price thus will not back down. Total commitment is ahead of us from all sides. Also, 1000 dead per day is close to the casualties rate during the battle of Berlin back at 1945. Not looking good at all...
 
Seems like parts of SEAL6 and DF may very well be in Ukraine, not that it would be strange ofc per the necessity to gather intel in case a genuine confrontation between NATO/Russia comes about.
 
arknor said:
it already happened, America realised how important the media is when they messed up and let journalists see what really happens in a war under Bush
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No, that was the Vietnam war
Werewolf said:
Unfortunately this is likely the case, and Ukraine won't be able to rebuild it's military as fast as Russia might be able to get some more of it's better equipment back up and running and sort out a plan for the next time that is based more in reality than the one they seemed to have been using this time was.
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The West has a vested interest in keeping Ukrain armed, their is a line in the sand and it's ukrain.

Putin needs stopped here so the arms will flow into Ukrain so no one else has to fight them.

This isn't just about Ukrain anymore, there is a much bigger picture.
 
ubersonic said:
This is one of the big problems. Russia agreed with multiple nations never to invade Ukraine, they went back on it. Putin swore to multiple western leaders he had nothing to do with the uprising in Crimea, he lied. Putin swore to multiple western leaders he wasn't going to invade Ukraine, he lied.

What value would a truce with him have at this point.
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Western powers lied to Russia too, they promised in 1991 that Nato wouldnt expand eastwards.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
I feel that this war is not going to end anytime soon, and eventually NATO will declare war on Russia, Ukraine is in ruins, piles of dead russians mean that russia is paying a heavy price thus will not back down. Total commitment is ahead of us from all sides. Also, 1000 dead per day is close to the casualties rate during the battle of Berlin back at 1945. Not looking good at all...
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Certainly Putin's recent speeches don't give confidence he intendeds to back down and that seems to be well beyond bluff or theatrics with the language and actions involved.

I think we are struggling to wake up to the reality but it is a situation where appeasement or compromise isn't going to work towards waking up one day to find it is all over as some are obviously still day dreaming.
 
StriderX said:
Seems like parts of SEAL6 and DF may very well be in Ukraine, not that it would be strange ofc per the necessity to gather intel in case a genuine confrontation between NATO/Russia comes about.
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For me there is no doubt there are elite special forces from most of the Nato countries inside Ukrain under the radar.

They will need to see whats happening on the ground.

Wasn't there a plan back at the start to keep the Seals and SAS near zelensky to get him out?
 
Ukraine are doing well in small teams with anti-tank missiles and manpads. The number of casualties and financial damage inflicted might be as high as 10:1 ratio.

The main issue I see is supplying these teams. Western allies have said it is becoming increasingly difficult. They can't rely on stockpiling weapons and need to keep an effective distribution method. The Eastern half of Ukraine could soon become cut off leaving Ukraine forces high and dry in Donbas and along the coast from Odessa to Mariupol.

I fear even if Russia get pushed out altogether, they can just keep manufacturing missiles and attacking Ukraine. Who would want to rebuild Ukraine when Russia have not conceded. Geographically they are still next door, so it's different to US pulling out of Afghanistan.
 
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