Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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He should go play HOI IV instead
Grim5 said:
Where is the footage that shows Ukraine storing bombs in the theatre housing 2000 women and children
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why does the number of people in there keep growing

wouldn't surprise me if it eventually turns out it was being used as an army barracks...
 
IGBT said:
Even if it happens to what happened to Mariupol? 90% of buildings destroyed? That was my point. After having 90% of buildings destroyed what will stop the soldiers coming in?
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The defenses, the Ukrainian army. The buildings weren't stopping them from coming in to begin with.
Angilion said:
That depends on the number of missile and the goal.
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It's not really a hypothetical, it's a real situation with a real (limited) amount of missiles + Ukrainian radar & drones to detect artillery + missiles and the ability to fight back.

It's bad of course, these things cause damage, but they're not sufficient to capture the city.
 
delta0 said:
There is definitely a bit of worry Russia will push on into Poland. I’m not sure the west would push the nuclear button but they would have to be ready to respond.
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I can't see Russia "Pushing on" through anything.

Poland is of course planning for a counter attack because that's what any rational government in a bordering country would do. It doesn't make invasion any more likely, however.
 
ubersonic said:
The report was that Poland has begun making preparations to counter attacks on it by Russia. However that doesn't necessarily mean they're worried about Russia conquering Ukraine and carrying on. There is a chance (albeit most likely a small one) that Poland have finally had enough of the US dismissing their ideas to help Ukraine and telling them not to provide military support, and they plan on going into Ukraine themselves to help Ukraine rout the Russians.
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Possible, especially if Putin goes too far and uses chemical weapons or worse... Poland might well then act - maybe something like pile into Western Ukraine and declare it a safe area etc... could all get rather tense.
 
Putin won't stop until he can declare some kind of victory, that's why some concessions will be needed in the peace talks - lose Crimea and the breakaway areas and promise not to join a block. It's probably the only way Ukraine is going to maintain any form of autonomy, once the logistics of stepping up another gear (larger scale troop movement, more air and armour, even more brutal tactics) is complete I think there's going to be a big Russian push. Putin just doesn't give a crap about casualties, if he gets some kind of win then he can just call them heroes and victims of the West and who in Russia is actually going to hold him to account?

That's the way I see it going anyway, hopefully I'm wrong but I don't see Ukraine actually stopping Russia, Putin needs to make the decision and wont unless it makes him look strong.
 
'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 21 March 2022'

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https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1506031949386813446
 
godinman said:
once the logistics of stepping up another gear (larger scale troop movement, more air and armour, even more brutal tactics) is complete I think there's going to be a big Russian push.
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It sounds like the terrain is a logistical nightmare for an invading force. I don't know that Putin can just flip a switch to fix their logistics issues.
 
Minusorange said:
As others said I think it's more if Poland were to enter Ukraine, if they do it will certainly make things more spicy though
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I’m also of the opinion Poland would enter. I expect to preempt what could further down the line if Russia did eventually take Ukraine. I wonder if this would drag in a much larger force for Russia. Considering the mess with logistics I don’t think Russia could actually do anything. It would certainly be opportunistic if Poland hit Russia sooner rather than later while their forces are vulnerable.
 
arknor said:
He should go play HOI IV instead


why does the number of people in there keep growing

wouldn't surprise me if it eventually turns out it was being used as an army barracks...
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QUOTE="Allnamestaken, post: 35512049, member: 98581"]Who the hell cares where Ukraine is storing anything. They are being invaded by a power who doesn’t care where or who they are shooting.

They can store bombs in a school for all I care, they are defending their sovereign territory from an aggressor that wishes to take it.

it would have made little difference if there was ammo or civilians in that mall.
It’s clear they are murdering civilians.[/QUOTE]

Well put 'Allnamestaken'
 
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delta0 said:
I’m also of the opinion Poland would enter. I expect to preempt what could further down the line if Russia did eventually take Ukraine. I wonder if this would drag in a much larger force for Russia. Considering the mess with logistics I don’t think Russia could actually do anything. It would certainly be opportunistic if Poland hit Russia sooner rather than later while their forces are vulnerable.
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You seem to be forgetting about nukes
 
godinman said:
Putin won't stop until he can declare some kind of victory, that's why some concessions will be needed in the peace talks - lose Crimea and the breakaway areas and promise not to join a block. It's probably the only way Ukraine is going to maintain any form of autonomy, once the logistics of stepping up another gear (larger scale troop movement, more air and armour, even more brutal tactics) is complete I think there's going to be a big Russian push. Putin just doesn't give a crap about casualties, if he gets some kind of win then he can just call them heroes and victims of the West and who in Russia is actually going to hold him to account?

That's the way I see it going anyway, hopefully I'm wrong but I don't see Ukraine actually stopping Russia, Putin needs to make the decision and wont unless it makes him look strong.
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Unfortunately I think agree. Putin wants to make it look as bleak as possible at the very least so it appears he's got some kind of deal and win and then he'll back down, at least for a few years. And Putin is 70 now, I had no idea he was that old tbh, so the next 20 years of his remaining power will be interesting. And by interesting I mean expect somewhere between 50 million and 1 billion lives lost, best case/worst case. opinion not fact.

You can't actually fight someone with nukes unless you are willing to expect nukes will be lunched at you as well, and the west (generally) doesn't start wars and kill children, in the last 2 years anyway.

I'm gonna watch The Death of Stalin again :)
 
Lima said:
Apart from a few strikes on key locations, they haven’t pushed on into west Ukraine. They are making a shambles of it. Poland is nato. If they can’t beat Ukraine then they can’t do anything conventional to nato. The whole ‘he won’t stop at Ukraine’ thing is nonsense (it has to be for everyone’s sake).
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He won't want to stop, if you're a former USSR non Nato member he has plans for you. Putin once said, "The breakup of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century."
That's what he's been working on for decades.
 
Hook said:
He won't want to stop, if you're a former USSR non Nato member he has plans for you. Putin once said, "The breakup of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical tragedy of the 20th century."
That's what he's been working on for decades.
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Him and what army?

He is bogged down in Ukraine, he can only pull so many forces and equipment items away from defending Russia, his military is performing poorly and this is before he has a go at a more competent military, then we get onto the point of lack of logistics, money and ultimately munitions.
 
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