It is when they're taking part in indiscriminate bombings of cities.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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It is when they're taking part in indiscriminate bombings of cities.
Putin is simply terminally jealous and upset that liberal western democracy has won the political and cultural influence battle and that loads of the ex Soviet countries are now siding with western Europe and the US.
Russia lost the cultural battle so are having to use force to gain influence and power.
All this talk about being scared of NATO and thei expansion is total rubbish. He knows NATO would never attack or invade Russia unless provoked/he started it.
Soldato
Machine guns ready to go
Are you ready hey are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the doorway the bullets rip...
...another one bites the dust.
Are you ready hey are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the doorway the bullets rip...
...another one bites the dust.
That is an interesting point.
Though from my understanding Putin back then was seen as a protege of Boris Yeltsin, so was all for moving away from the old Soviet Union.
I think in 1991 the West missed a big opportunity to bring Russia in from the cold. I think in 32 years since the collapse of the SU we'd have entangled them with the West, something Putin (and previous leaders too) wanted. The whole threat of NATO wouldn't have been a factor as Russia itself would have integrated with NATO.
I suspect the main reason for not being positive towards Russia in 1991 was because America needed an enemy, a bogey man. It won't do it with China because 1. trade and industrial connections, and 2. now the US is concerned it might get slapped back for real.
Ohh well unlucky ehh, anyway in other news
Caporegime
Not sure about that.
Putin has always been an old school kgb/fsb type guy. They (the leadership) don't want to join the western vision of democracy.
Joining nato would mean they can do exactly what they are doing now but with impunity as any attack on Russia in retaliation would mean nato would have to back Russia...
Nato was a reaction to russia/the ussr ...
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It does feel like some sections of the US government and military continued in the cold war "anti russia" mindset. That might have led to missed opportunities.
Whether the Russian government was willing to make the change required to move to a more modern, open economy and society is an unanswerable question. The looting of state assets and resources by bent politicians and oligarchs suggests that was probably never realistic.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...come-turkey-foreign-minister-says-2022-03-26/
Turkey playing both sides it seems, it wouldn't be so bad if they weren't a NATO member lol
Turkey playing both sides it seems, it wouldn't be so bad if they weren't a NATO member lol
Soldato
Putin was brought in as Yeltsin was going off the rails. Putin was always anti Gorbachev reforms and hard line
Well some arbitration is needed. Turkeys government isn't particularly pleasent, but at least it's a sort of neutral forum for potential discussions.
To be fair they closed the straight, sent loads of well used and needed drones and other equipment to fight the invaders.
They have been playing east and west of since forever.
Well exactly, that's why the EU would never allow turkey to join in a million years, despite what the likes of farage et. al. would have you belive.
Any EU member can veto a new applicant, and it's game over for the applicant.
But I suppose turkey is, or could be a sort of middle ground for discussion in this particular circumstance.
Any EU member can veto a new applicant, and it's game over for the applicant.
But I suppose turkey is, or could be a sort of middle ground for discussion in this particular circumstance.
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That's what I mean by playing both sides, they'll happily supply arms to Ukraine, block the straight, whilst also funding Russia through business, it's their choice as a free nation but you would think being a NATO member they would choose a side, the side that all other NATO members have chosen, it's just really odd to see
Soldato
Seems like it is very likely Russia are pulling back to Donbas. I hope this is treated with a lot of caution until certain.
Soldato
Opening an Eastern front whilst still getting BTFO in the West? Yeah, that went swimmingly for the last madman in a bunker. 
Associate
For anyone saying Trump never wanted to start any conflicts really need to look back at his presidency.
He was desperate to start a war with Iran, had to be talked down by his generals on more than one occasion.
It wouldnt have been a war as such more like a bombing campain on their nuclear assets reall but close enough.
He was desperate to start a war with Iran, had to be talked down by his generals on more than one occasion.
It wouldnt have been a war as such more like a bombing campain on their nuclear assets reall but close enough.
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I believe they are saying if he can take the Dombas region he can claim his huge victory.
Truth is more likely that he can't sustain the war with his losses so has decuided to pick one spot and take it like Crimea.
Can't see Ukrain letting this happen though, it would be as good as a defeat if they just let him take it.
If they do annex it into Russia whats to stop them re arming and coming back 3-4 years down the line and annexing another region, they could do this piece by piece over the next 20 years so it has to be stopped now.
Soldato
that’s exactly what would happen. Ukraine should not back down. Kick them while they’re down.
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Worry is that if Putin sees himself and his corrupt government going down the toilet then he'll interpret that as an 'existential threat' to Russia (because Putin IS Russia in his mind), and that's the one situation where full use of nuclear weapons is allowed under Russian constitution. He can't go quietly, not with war crime allegations levelled against him, a shattered economy, and increasing unpopularity at home. He knows he won't survive long if he reverses direction and removes his forces from Ukraine voluntarily, or even worse - they get thrown out. Difficult to spin that one into a Win, but Win or lose I really can't see any good outcome from this for Putin and he needs to be rapidly removed from power, but how to make that happen?
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