According to liveuamap and some other sources the Chernihiv region is already fully under Ukrainian control, and the Kyiv region has been for a day or so. There are apparently only a few remaining areas in the north with Russian forces present (the very north-east of the country).
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According to liveuamap and some other sources the Chernihiv region is already fully under Ukrainian control, and the Kyiv region has been for a day or so. There are apparently only a few remaining areas in the north with Russian forces present (the very north-east of the country).
What we're talking about here is direct armed conflict between NATO forces and Russian forces and not simply "facing down". Can you describe these loads of other countries where this has happened?
If they do manage to push them back one would hope they could take back Crimea, but Russia has had 8 years to fortify that region, I don't know if they have the forces to take it back. It's not clear how well it's going yet, Russia is falling back in the North but they're building up forces in the East for a possible large attack, if they manage to break through the Ukrainian lines they could cut off Ukraine's forces there.
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Looking at the geography I think it would be very hard to take Crimea back with out a large air force to clear out the obvious choke points. They would also need to take out that bridge to stop the Russian's from reinforcing the area. If Ukraine was bold enough to do this I would wager Putin would pull troops back from the Donbass to try and keep that area under Russia's control. At the moment it's a non starter though, Zelensky has already said he has no plans to take back Crimea and the population there is very pro Russian but it would be a powerful bargaining chip if Ukraine were able to secure it back. At the moment troops are need to hold defend positions in the around Mykolaiv and the south.
If they didn't have nukes (although if any actually work is another matter...) then I have little doubt that there would have been a no fly zone and a NATO 'peacekeeping' force in Ukraine already, and the Russians would have been stomped on severely.
Impossible to verify either way, I just go off of both government's character and history for what is most likely to be the case even if I know it cannot absolutely be confirmed.
Am really hoping that russians haven't pulled back so putin can fire a nuke or chemical weapon at Kyiv
I remember when he was asked when this all started if he would use Nuclear weapons and he replied something along the lines of "anything that is needed"
If Russia has said that they will be limiting its "special operation" to the East then they shouldn't have an objection to a no fly zone over the West.
If they have any intention of doing it then now is the time, before a new push from the East starts
If they have any intention of doing it then now is the time, before a new push from the East starts
So now we will see just how far Putin"s embarrassing and wasteful special operation was.
Does he have the mental stupidity to authorize a tactical nuke after a withdrawal just to spite everyone and the wider world?
Is he that depraved? Does he fear for the future of his power? Is my fantastic ramblings a potential reality?
Does he have the mental stupidity to authorize a tactical nuke after a withdrawal just to spite everyone and the wider world?
Is he that depraved? Does he fear for the future of his power? Is my fantastic ramblings a potential reality?
After all the Russian blatant lies to the UN, etc. no one is going to believe their side of the story now short of incontrovertible evidence, and they were the ones who choose to invade not Ukraine.
Yeah they'd need to be able to control the skies at the very least plus a large amphibious assault capability which they don't have and/or complete air supremacy which also seems unlikely. Ukraine might feel differently but aside from as a bargaining chip Crimea seems to have more disadvantages than advantages for Ukraine to retake.
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The only other possibility I think off is if the the Ukrainian's can free up forces from Kyiv and give the Russian army group in the south a similar beating as they did to the northern forces they panic and flee back to Crimea with a sword in thier back.
Just imagine the look on Putin's face if he was told Russia lost Crimea, I can't help but think of Rod Stiger who played Napoleon in Waterloo when he was told the guard was broken.
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more info?
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— Bloomberg (CET Time)
*Russia Has Requested a Meeting of the UN Security Council on Monday to Discuss the ‘Provocation of Ukrainian Radicals’ in Bucha. - Russian Representative to Un Cited by RIA.
*Russia’s Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zakharova: Kyiv Is Trying to Derail Peace Talks.
*Heavy Fighting Has Raged on in Mariupol As Russian Forces Attempt to Seize the City — UK Military Intelligence.
*Strikes Continue in Mariupol As Ukrainian Forces Maintain Steadfast Resistance, Retaining Control in Central Areas — UK Military Intelligence.
*Explosions Were Heard in Odesa, Ukraine’s Southern Port City - Witness Reports.
*Ukraine’s Zelenskiy Condemns Russia’s ‘Concentrated Evil’ in Bucha
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/vide...mns-russia-s-concentrated-evil-in-bucha-video
*Japan’s PM Kishida: On the Issue of New Russian Sanctions, Japan Will Consult With Allies and Respond Appropriately.
*Japan’s PM Kishida: I Strongly Condemn Russia’s Actions That Have Resulted in Civilian Casualties.
*Japan Chief Cabinet Secretary Matsuno: Shocked by Killing of Civilians in Ukraine
*Russia’s Medvedev Said Earlier That Many Countries Depend of Food Supplies From the Russia Federation, This Is “a Quiet but Formidable Weapon”
*Russia Will Supply Food and Crops to Friendly Countries for Rubles and National Currencies — Medvedev
*EU Readies More Russia Sanctions After Reports of Atrocities Against Civilians — FT
https://www.ft.com/content/b6f5ace8-b4a5-4c0a-878d-70ace5815048
*Germany Is Considering Expelling Some Russian Diplomats — BILD.
*Ukraine Agriculture Minister Says All Countries Must Understand the Continuation of the War Is an Increase in Prices for All Countries
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*France's President Macron: New Sanctions Are Needed in Response to What Has Happened in Ukraine’s Bucha, We Will Need to Co-Ordinate With European Allies.
*France's President Macron on Ukraine/Russia: We’ll Need More Measures to Act As a Deterrent; New Sanctions Will Be Prepared for Coal and Gasoline.
*France's President Macron Says Wants Fresh Sanctions Against Russia
*Russia’s Gazprom Says Continues Gas Shipments via Ukraine, Monday Volume at 108.3 Mln Cubic Metres — Reuters
— Bloomberg (CET Time)
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*Latvian Gas Supplier Weighs Payment in Rubles
*Russia Seeks Security Council Meeting on Bucha
*More Heavy Fighting Reported in Mariupol
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*Treasury Curve Inversions Deepen
*Japan Condemns Civilian Deaths
*Zelenskiy to Speak to S.Korea Lawmakers
*Russia Has Requested a Meeting of the UN Security Council on Monday to Discuss the ‘Provocation of Ukrainian Radicals’ in Bucha. - Russian Representative to Un Cited by RIA.
*Russia’s Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Zakharova: Kyiv Is Trying to Derail Peace Talks.
*Heavy Fighting Has Raged on in Mariupol As Russian Forces Attempt to Seize the City — UK Military Intelligence.
*Strikes Continue in Mariupol As Ukrainian Forces Maintain Steadfast Resistance, Retaining Control in Central Areas — UK Military Intelligence.
*Explosions Were Heard in Odesa, Ukraine’s Southern Port City - Witness Reports.
*Ukraine’s Zelenskiy Condemns Russia’s ‘Concentrated Evil’ in Bucha
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/vide...mns-russia-s-concentrated-evil-in-bucha-video
*Japan’s PM Kishida: On the Issue of New Russian Sanctions, Japan Will Consult With Allies and Respond Appropriately.
*Japan’s PM Kishida: I Strongly Condemn Russia’s Actions That Have Resulted in Civilian Casualties.
*Japan Chief Cabinet Secretary Matsuno: Shocked by Killing of Civilians in Ukraine
*Russia’s Medvedev Said Earlier That Many Countries Depend of Food Supplies From the Russia Federation, This Is “a Quiet but Formidable Weapon”
*Russia Will Supply Food and Crops to Friendly Countries for Rubles and National Currencies — Medvedev
*EU Readies More Russia Sanctions After Reports of Atrocities Against Civilians — FT
https://www.ft.com/content/b6f5ace8-b4a5-4c0a-878d-70ace5815048
*Germany Is Considering Expelling Some Russian Diplomats — BILD.
*Ukraine Agriculture Minister Says All Countries Must Understand the Continuation of the War Is an Increase in Prices for All Countries
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*France's President Macron: There Are Very Clear Clues Today Pointing to War Crimes in Ukraine, Russian Army Appears to Be Responsible, Those Responsible Must Pay for It — Reuters
*France's President Macron: New Sanctions Are Needed in Response to What Has Happened in Ukraine’s Bucha, We Will Need to Co-Ordinate With European Allies.
*France's President Macron on Ukraine/Russia: We’ll Need More Measures to Act As a Deterrent; New Sanctions Will Be Prepared for Coal and Gasoline.
*France's President Macron Says Wants Fresh Sanctions Against Russia
*Russia’s Gazprom Says Continues Gas Shipments via Ukraine, Monday Volume at 108.3 Mln Cubic Metres — Reuters
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— Bloomberg (CET Time)
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Allow UN discussion.
Come to no conclusion.
But UN votes to send peacekeeping force and enforce no fly zone, made up of NATO member countries under UN banner
I know it won't happen.
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Allow UN discussion.
Come to no conclusion.
But UN votes to send peacekeeping force and enforce no fly zone, made up of NATO member countries under UN banner
I know it won't happen.
Sadly we both know that either Russia or China will veto - the UN in its current form is a waste of resources
The UN is incapable of handling many of the world's issues, but that doesn't make it a waste of resources. It carries out many useful functions and is much better than not having it. Organisations based around co-operation of nations cannot resolve issues of non-cooperation, but they can help increase the amount of interactions that are co-operative.
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