Is this true? Speed limiters fitted to all new cars

[Rroff]

Sorry, but I don't agree.
If anything it feels as though the "majority" are quite happy to follow along as lemmings, breaking the speed limit in both 20 and 30mph zones.
The worst of it is that it appears that most are breaking the law by just enough to get caught, but not enough to genuinely get to their destination any faster.

As for your argument about driving being complex. Yes, it is, but bearing in mind how simple things need to be to ensure that people have guidelines that they can abide by, it's just a spurious point. For example, variable speed limits near schools. It makes perfect sense, but you know that a certain % of the population will respond by saying that it's too complex. Which leaves us with "simple" and "fixed" rules, until people acting as role models show that they're simply "negotiable".
Let me put this another way, Boris with his "hey, it's OK to get ****** with my mates". We all know that it's wasn't. This really isn't any different.

I understand that you might find it "inconvenient", but unfortunately, that's just tough.
You either start joining in an playing by the rules, or you sit back and watch as driving standards continue to slip.

Got to be honest as someone who drives a lot I'm struggling to reconcile your perspective with the real situation in the road. The vast majority of people aren't breaking the speed limit by enough to make any real difference in outcome in an incident, neither is there a direct, non-complex relationship with their standard of driving and approach to speed limits.

Having some flexibility when it comes to how tightly speed limits are enforced means avoiding overly complex rules to try and accommodate for every possible real world situation.

My comment isn't about convenience but the realities of dealing with traffic and the mixed approaches and skill level of other drivers - personally I rarely exceed the speed limit and when I do put my foot down it is generally to avoid a potential collision or incident with another driver doing something stupid, strictly enforcing speed limits isn't going to stop those people doing something stupid.

 

[Rroff]

Yeah I completely agree with this. Speeding I see less and less these days, unless it's on the dual carriageway/motorway, but that's always been the case. It's no worse than it was when I started driving.

But the problem I do see getting worse is just the general standard of driving, it's bloody awful. So many people who just shouldn't be on the road, have no awareness of the rules of the road and/or willingness to give room or signal their intent. People on mobiles is just standard these days, always seeing it.

I actually see a lot less people speeding these days - a lot of the time the roads are just too busy. But especially since the lockdowns the standards of driving just seem to have plummeted and most of those who are driving the worst seem to be either distracted (mobiles phones often apparent) or possibly driving under the influence.

When I drove into work Friday just after rush hour out of the dozens of vehicles I encountered only one was driving appreciably above the speed limit and that was a white flatbed truck being driven dangerously both in speed and approach.

 

[Entai]

The irony is that often accidents aren't caused by speeding.

There are people on the road who just don't concentrate, have bad judgement etc

What can we do about people texting while driving, not checking blind spots, not braking in time because they're focused on something else?!

Take all decisions and choices away from the driver and let the car do it.

Within 20-30 years that is exactly what will happen.

There will be very few if any drivers, we will all be passengers.

 

[adam cool dude]

Thing is it will rely on sign reading, which isn't reliable and easy to fool by simply covering the camera. They love to spot signs for side roads. So expect to see people suddenly slowing to 30 on NSL roads.

Yet another poorly thought out EU policy. Automatic speed limiter, but you can over-ride it in an "emergency" by flooring it in your 400+ hp car. Yea that's much safer.

The new Mercedes Actros reads road signs and already adjusts speeds pretty much 100% on A roads. It is actually quite relaxing as you focus on other things. It can be a bit hit and miss on industrial estates and b roads but that's mainly down to poorly run councils not getting the bushes trimmed.

Limiters are pretty pointless now as the roads are just so clogged. Especially down south you can barely get to 56 let alone 70 on the M11/M25/m20 etc.

 

[ChocAndGray]

Take all decisions and choices away from the driver and let the car do it.

Within 20-30 years that is exactly what will happen.

There will be very few if any drivers, we will all be passengers.

With my current commute to work I'd probably take being a passenger lol

 

[adam cool dude]

Take all decisions and choices away from the driver and let the car do it.

Within 20-30 years that is exactly what will happen.

I really think it needs a proper AI to be able to do that. The current way of using camera's is not reliable enough as a road sign hidden by a bush will totally ignore the sign or a car at a roundabout that pops out from behind a fence or something. That's what I have experienced.

 

[Entai]

I really think it needs a proper AI to be able to do that. The current way of using camera's is not reliable enough as a road sign hidden by a bush will totally ignore the sign or a car at a roundabout that pops out from behind a fence or something. That's what I have experienced.

Will be a mixture of all soets of different sensors and cameras, lidar, radar, and GPS etc.

Fully autonomous cars will never rely solely on cameras.

 

[Doobedoo]

Well I’m in Crete currently and I’ve got to say that the standard of driving in the UK is far better than here.

Lanes don’t actually appear to mean anything, your expected to move over for faster moving vehicles regardless of wether your in the correct lane or not. They’ll sit on your bumper directly on the centre line until they have a chance to overtake you. If you leave a space between you and the car in front that just means it’s theirs for the taking. Speed limits don’t really apply unless there is a camera, scooters will come up either side of you depending which side the biggest gap is. Is nuts.

It’s very easy to spot who is a local and who is a tourist. The roads are much better though very few pot holes and much smoother roads for the most part.

 

[adam cool dude]

Will be a mixture of all soets of different sensors and cameras, lidar, radar, and GPS etc.

Fully autonomous cars will never rely solely on cameras.

That's my point all these things are never 100% and can be interrupted by mother nature or man made. It could be snowing and all the sensors are covered then you go through the Dartford tunnel and lose GPS. What happens then?

 

[robj20]

That's my point all these things are never 100% and can be interrupted by mother nature or man made. It could be snowing and all the sensors are covered then you go through the Dartford tunnel and lose GPS. What happens then?

Unless the speed changes midway through the tunnel it would keep the same speed it had when entering, camera covered by snow means windscreen covered in snow, why would you be driving when you can't see?
The only time I've seen mine wrong is after some road works it will thought the 40mph limit was in place when it was back to 60mph, sorted itself at the next road sign.

 

[theone8181]

That's my point all these things are never 100% and can be interrupted by mother nature or man made. It could be snowing and all the sensors are covered then you go through the Dartford tunnel and lose GPS. What happens then?

It's OK speed kills, so your car will just stop. Not moving should be safer right .
^ I suspect they mean signs covered in snow rather than windscreen.

 

[Rroff]

camera covered by snow means windscreen covered in snow, why would you be driving when you can't see?

Not necessarily - I've had mud or snow splatter from driving obscure my reversing camera for instance when I can see fine through the windows and sometimes messes with the other sensors/cameras.

With my current commute to work I'd probably take being a passenger lol

There are times I'd happily be a passenger on my way to or from work but other times, if it is quiet, I enjoy driving. One of the reasons I use my pickup way more than I need to though - it has big comfy seats with plenty of room, even if the ride comfort is so-so, and a fairly good level of automation, it makes getting stuck in traffic a bit more like being a passenger :s (having a decent sound system in it helps as well).

 

[adam cool dude]

Unless the speed changes midway through the tunnel it would keep the same speed it had when entering, camera covered by snow means windscreen covered in snow, why would you be driving when you can't see?
The only time I've seen mine wrong is after some road works it will thought the 40mph limit was in place when it was back to 60mph, sorted itself at the next road sign.

What happens if cars in front brake you will just career into the back of them. It also needs to navigate the tunnel how is it going to do this without GPS, cameras and sensors all covered and blocked?. If your windscreen is covered in snow you just use your wipers. The Camera and sensors do not have wipers. I guess this can be avoided by having the camera's and sensors inside the cab but can they work behind glass? Will they get confused with a windscreen completely covered in bug splatter?

When I have been driving early morning in difficult conditions with snow. Half the stuff switches off and comes up with an error on the dash and normally corrects itself when the snow has melted.

I can see that every manufacturer is different but the big ones I have seen are slamming on the brakes because it thinks you are going to hit a car that is turning right at a box junction when you are miles away making you look like a right knob. Totally missing road signs that can lead to speeding tickets if you are not careful and not applying the brakes at roundabouts because it struggles with traffic. Especially in congestion zones where people just do what they want on the road.

 

[adam cool dude]

Not necessarily - I've had mud or snow splatter from driving obscure my reversing camera for instance when I can see fine through the windows and sometimes messes with the other sensors/cameras.



There are times I'd happily be a passenger on my way to or from work but other times, if it is quiet, I enjoy driving. One of the reasons I use my pickup way more than I need to though - it has big comfy seats with plenty of room, even if the ride comfort is so-so, and a fairly good level of automation, it makes getting stuck in traffic a bit more like being a passenger :s (having a decent sound system in it helps as well).

Mirrorless wingmirrors are even worse. One droplet of water on the camera lens and you are completely blind! This might not be an issue with a car as you still have your rear view mirror but in a truck or van where you do not have that luxury it can be quite frightening leaning out the window with a cloth to clean it! Just so you can see what's coming down your right side.

 

[Rroff]

Mirrorless wingmirrors are even worse. One droplet of water on the camera lens and you are completely blind! This might not be an issue with a car as you still have your rear view mirror but in a truck or van where you do not have that luxury it can be quite frightening leaning out the window with a cloth to clean it! Just so you can see what's coming down your right side.

I am not at all a fan personally of mirror-less primary rear view as seen on some van, sports cars and an increasing number of EVs for some reason. I do like having ancillary views using them though especially 360/birds eye ones and blind spot ones which can be a significant benefit in many situations.

 

[adam cool dude]

I am not at all a fan personally of mirror-less primary rear view as seen on some van, sports cars and an increasing number of EVs for some reason. I do like having ancillary views using them though especially 360/birds eye ones and blind spot ones which can be a significant benefit in many situations.

Oh do not get me wrong they have many advantages especially being able to see wide angle, adjusting on the fly, reducing a pillar blind spots and you can also use them to see the back of a trailer which is a god send in a tight yard or when merging in. Hopefully the small issues get fixed in the long term as I am a massive fan of them once the flaws get ironed out.

 

[robj20]

What happens if cars in front brake you will just career into the back of them. It also needs to navigate the tunnel how is it going to do this without GPS, cameras and sensors all covered and blocked?. If your windscreen is covered in snow you just use your wipers. The Camera and sensors do not have wipers. I guess this can be avoided by having the camera's and sensors inside the cab but can they work behind glass? Will they get confused with a windscreen completely covered in bug splatter?

When I have been driving early morning in difficult conditions with snow. Half the stuff switches off and comes up with an error on the dash and normally corrects itself when the snow has melted.

I can see that every manufacturer is different but the big ones I have seen are slamming on the brakes because it thinks you are going to hit a car that is turning right at a box junction when you are miles away making you look like a right knob. Totally missing road signs that can lead to speeding tickets if you are not careful and not applying the brakes at roundabouts because it struggles with traffic. Especially in congestion zones where people just do what they want on the road.

I must have missed the part of this thread where we went off topic. I thought I was in the Speed Limiter thread.

 

[chroniclard]

Travel assist on our Golf is pretty good on the whole. Camera recognition and speed detection is mostly ok. It spazzes out now and again and has a few software glitches but it's a real nice feature on motorways/dual carriageways. Makes long journeys a breeze.

 

[Cyber-Mav]

Im happy with this speed limiting. If it somehow goes over 30mph past a speed camera i wont be paying any fines and its the manufacturer who will pay the fines etc.

 

[robj20]

Im happy with this speed limiting. If it somehow goes over 30mph past a speed camera i wont be paying any fines and its the manufacturer who will pay the fines etc.

Not in the proposed setup. You'll still be in charge of the vehicle.
You can turn it off, you can bypass by planting your foot harder on the accelerator.