Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Grim5 said:
* Ericsson, Nokia and Huawai refuse to do business with Russia
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I have to feel sorry for Huawai in all this, it seems like years ago now since Trump banned them in US infrastructure in order to help their US competitors (of course the idiot didn't realise they weren't any and he was only helping EU competitors lol) while citing some technologically illiterate nonsense about Chinese government interference, then the UK followed suit to make him happy, and now Huawei are voluntarily burning their bridges with Russia (which is against the Chinese government line).


Grim5 said:
For Russian military production to start back up they must be go back to producing 50 year old cold war designs.
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One of the big problems Russia have with this is that while the Russian SSR made the USSRs best combat planes (MiG, Sukhoi, Yakovlev, Tupolev, etc) it was Ukraine that made all the best tanks/ships (this is why despite it being over 20 years since Russia stole the Admiral Kuznetsov carrier from Ukraine they are only just building a Russian dock capable of housing/maintaining it). Any old tanks they make are going to be the substandard stuff that was designed either for export or as "cheap, crap but mass producible". Anything T-6x would require either parts from Ukraine (lol, nope) or using parts that have been sitting in a warehouse bin for over 30 years. And anything T-5x would be a complete waste of time as their armour would be vulnerable to the enormous stockpile of Soviet era anti tank weapons Ukraine has nevermind what the west has given them.

And of course there's the kicker that that their main backbone is/was 50 year old cold war designs to begin with as the T-72 is 50 years old, they may have added some modernisation to it but it's still a 50 year old base design, and the T-90 is literally a T-72 with some modernisation and a name change to make it a more appealing order to third world dictators xD


Grim5 said:
* USA has blocked its debt payments
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This will produce an interesting legal quandary, can you actually declare your debtor to be in default if they are trying to pay but you're refusing to take their money.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Very impressive considering the MIG-29 was introduced in the early 80's and the SU-35 is a modern aircraft from 2014.
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The MiG-29 was introduced in 1982 and the Su-27 in 1985 (the latter being delayed as the USA had just introduced the F-15 and so the USSR chose to delay the Su-27 to make improvements to ensure it was more capable), they are roughly comparable to F-16 and F-15 fighters (of the same era) respectively, so while it's not the norm for the cheaper fighter jet to defeat the more expensive one it will often happen, especially in a close range dogfight where it can use it's agility advantage (this is why you see F-16s smoking F-15s/F-22s in dogfights at red flag but getting smashed in long range encounters). Ukraine's MiG-29s aren't fresh off the production line, they're fully upgraded and more comparable to the MiG-35 than the original MiG-29.

Not to take anything away from the Ukrainian pilot, he still got a kill against a plane that should have been better on paper, and that's sort of to be expected as Ukraine have been taking part in air exercises with NATO for years, their pilots are much better trained/experienced than Russia's.

NB: The reason I used the Su-27 and not the Su-35 above is because the Su-35 is just a variant of the Su-27 that the USSR built in the late 80's called the Su-27M. Russia had to stop producing them in the mid 90s as they couldn't afford to build them anymore, then when they brought them back in the late 2000s they renamed them Su-35 to make it seem like a new plane (and more appealing to export markets). They did similar things when they renamed the MiG-29KR to the MiG-35, and as I mentioned above when they renamed the T-72BU to the T-90.
 
bigup said:
This is a big problem for Russia, there seems be a massive gap in terms of skill level between west and russia.
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Oh I dunno. More Ukraine planes have been lost than Russian. Against near peers the armed forces does ok. If you ignore the fantasy stuff posted.
I can’t see a skill gap being a problem unless Russia was daft enough to trigger NATO… which I’m sure in this showing that they won’t.
The West has had more practice and a bigger budget. If you take the US out of the equation … then it’d be a lot nearer par.
 
Hades said:
Your reply doesn't make sense. Who are puppets of the West and what evidence is there that whoever you are referring to are puppets?
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Well it is obvious, Finnish media outlets constantly bombard their citizens with west propaganda, and also finland have signed an agreement with soviet union(currently inherited by Russia) to be FOREVER neutral. If it wasn't puppet of the west it wouldn't do any of these.
Hades said:
Do you have any evidence that NATO have invaded a country or area with a Russian population?
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NATO supply weapons to ukrainian army & azov nazis and both have received training(and continue to receive training) from NATO, and also they are some nato personal actively fighting in ukraine.
 
Rroff said:
That explains why, despite being relatively Russian leaning, they've been received so warmly in places like Kharkiv and in places like Voznesensk even the little old ladies have been helping to bring down artillery on them...

There has been some oppression of pro-Russian populations but aside from some isolated exceptions nothing which would warrant what Russia is doing now - hence even those areas who are heavily pro-Russian are fighting back tooth and nail.

EDIT: Aside from the completely ludicrous take on NATO there - there is a certain irony that those ultra right wing elements who have been involved in some persecution originate out of Russian organisations anyway... and until 2014 maintained strong links with Russian ultras, etc........
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From Kharkiv to Odesa (basically east-south ukraine) is inhabited predominantly by russian populations (it is also visible on how these areas are voting for a pro russian government), and these people have suffered greatly in the last 8 years by nato & azov nazis.
People from these areas are celebrate the liberation Russian army as they enter in their towns and villages. While the majority of the population is welcoming the Russian liberation army the are ukrainian minoritys, that do not, and guess what, these minoritys are what the west media is shown to the sheeps.
Thouse ultra right wing elements you mention are deeply rooted in the ukrainian government and army, nothing to do with russia.
 
kylew_is_back said:
From Kharkiv to Odesa (basically east-south ukraine) is inhabited predominantly by russian populations (it is also visible on how these areas are voting for a pro russian government), and these people have suffered greatly in the last 8 years by nato & azov nazis.
People from these areas are celebrate the liberation Russian army as they enter in their towns and villages. While the majority of the population is welcoming the Russian liberation army the are ukrainian minoritys, that do not, and guess what, these minoritys are what the west media is shown to the sheeps.
Thouse ultra right wing elements you mention are deeply rooted in the ukrainian government and army, nothing to do with russia.
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LOL - you might want to do some research - most of the ultra right wing elements either grew out of Russian ultras or had ties to them until 2014.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Remember this from 2018?


And in 2022 Germany Reactivates it's coal and oil plants in the wake of the Russian invasion.

Who's laughing now?
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Germany's mistake was becoming so reliant on Russian energy. Using trade to keep peace has worked in Europe for decades, so trading with Russia was a good idea, Germany took it too far though and trusted Putin, that was their biggest mistake.

Though considering that if Trump was in power now there would likely be the Russian flag flying over Kiev I don't feel like he deserved much credit. This is the man who attempted to blackmail Ukraine after all.
 
kylew_is_back said:
Well it is obvious, Finnish media outlets constantly bombard their citizens with west propaganda, and also finland have signed an agreement with soviet union(currently inherited by Russia) to be FOREVER neutral. If it wasn't puppet of the west it wouldn't do any of these.

NATO supply weapons to ukrainian army & azov nazis and both have received training(and continue to receive training) from NATO, and also they are some nato personal actively fighting in ukraine.
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1. Are you saying Finland signed an agreement with Russia to stay independent, because Finland is a puppet of the West? That doesn't make sense. Can you explain a bit better?
2. Supplying arms, training and intelligence to a country to help them fight against an invasion is very, very different from NATO invading a country. There are also non-NATO countries providing the same assistance.
 
kylew_is_back said:
From Kharkiv to Odesa (basically east-south ukraine) is inhabited predominantly by russian populations (it is also visible on how these areas are voting for a pro russian government), and these people have suffered greatly in the last 8 years by nato & azov nazis.
People from these areas are celebrate the liberation Russian army as they enter in their towns and villages. While the majority of the population is welcoming the Russian liberation army the are ukrainian minoritys, that do not, and guess what, these minoritys are what the west media is shown to the sheeps.
Thouse ultra right wing elements you mention are deeply rooted in the ukrainian government and army, nothing to do with russia.
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Speaking Russian is not being Russian and even if they are originally Russian that's no indication that they are against a Ukrainian state since they voted quite heavily for independence 30 years ago.


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This image shows percentage of people per oblast who voted in the 1991 referendum who did not want to be independent. Hardly justification for an invasion.
 
Hades said:
1. Are you saying Finland signed an agreement with Russia to stay independent, because Finland is a puppet of the West? That doesn't make sense. Can you explain a bit better?
2. Supplying arms, training and intelligence to a country to help them fight against an invasion is very, very different from NATO invading a country. There are also non-NATO countries providing the same assistance.
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I've found this quite common when seeing Russian posts or Russian allied posts on social media. They seem to be convinced that they are fighting NATO itself, i never really understand hopw they reach that.
 
NATO & Asov nazis? What bot dribbling mess are you kylew?

When Russia invaded in 2014 there still wasn't mass support for Russia. It's like the IRA got a large nation to support them and now they took over that region. They aren't the will of that area in reality. The populace largely had no interest, they don't want war.

Maybe you think that the aircraft carrier that Russia stole is there's as well?
 
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