Again do we really need to spell out the subtext inferred by the context of the rest of his post? grow up.
Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Again do we really need to spell out the subtext inferred by the context of the rest of his post? grow up.
Like I said feel free to make one up and then we can argue that or you can carry on calling me dense and say I'm making silly points.
Your choice.
So you're saying even though Putin has his reasons you do not agree with them ?
The only reason anyone would quibble with Iraklis's post is because they thought Putin's actions perfectly reasonable... everyone else can use the context of the post to understand how they meant reason - it isn't hard.
Nope not at all, I actually just disagreed with what he wrote, so you got that wrong.
I don't think you are convincing anyone.
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The problem will be worse for Poland, Romania and the other poorer European countries. They might have to house millions of people for years.
If Russia can tough it out, that will become a significant issue, especially if a recession happens.
I can't see Russia bailing at this point. They have little to lose.
I'm a natural pessimist.
All the more reason to ensure they can go home though if we do not intend on accommodating them long term. Alternatively, those countries could use the new blood with Europe's population rate now declining and it probably helps that the social/cultural behaviour is so similar as to be nearly irrelevant.
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I'm not sure what's going on here, Russia has lost control of Severdonetsk and have been pushed out although that doesn't mean it's under Ukrainian control either as there are still pockets of Russian resistance around the center of the city
This is contrary though to news reports saying Ukraine was making a tactical retreat from the city as some of it's units had suffered critical losses.
This is contrary though to news reports saying Ukraine was making a tactical retreat from the city as some of it's units had suffered critical losses.
Its all a bit confusing and kinda mired in the fog of war. However, I'm seeing multiple reports stating Ukraine has counter attacked and regained 50%+, up from earlier reports of ~20%. Some sources stating Ukrainians fell back to pre-planned positions feigning a retreat, only to counterattack in force and retake large areas of Severodonetsk.I'm not sure what's going on here, Russia has lost control of Severdonetsk and have been pushed out although that doesn't mean it's under Ukrainian control either as there are still pockets of Russian resistance around the center of the city
This is contrary though to news reports saying Ukraine was making a tactical retreat from the city as some of it's units had suffered critical losses.
Some reports even suggest Ukraine have regained full control of Severodonetsk and inflicted severe casualties amongst the Russians, though I do fear that is likely playing fast and loose with the definition of "control".
Hopefully a clearer picture will come sooner than later.
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Seems Russia control some of the city still
It's all propaganda, you keep getting different reports because its all just fake news.
Why hasn't Ukraine won by now ? according to very early reports they were inflicting massive losses against the Russians and since then they have had so much more hardware and support you would expect the Russians would be wiped or at least driven from Ukraine by now.
Russians were meant to be near the end of their stock piles of artillery several weeks ago yet they upped their artillery strikes and are still going strong today.
Then you get reports of some mythical Ukrainian pilot that takes out Squadrons all on his own.
Russians are stuck in the mud and that convoy won't be able to move ?
Anybody who questions these ridiculous claims gets called comrade or a Putin supporter.
People post of these Ukrainian victories all day long and act as if Russian has had none, then why haven't Ukraine won or at least driven the Russians out of their lands.
Those supposed brave Azov fighters were using women and children as human shields to hide behind.
People don't even seem to realise that even with all this hardware and support Ukraine are unable to drive Russia out is because a lot of them are not soldiers. These are just civilians who are forced to defend, they were not given a choice and I'm sure plenty would rather not be fighting Americas proxy war.
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Ok comrade.
Yeah I'm not even going to bother reading that, straight to the ignore list!
Wait if he didn't read it then how would he know it's nonsense......it's rhetorical before someone says I always post nonsense
Also if it's nonsense surely you would rather tear my post apart by providing evidence contrary to all I wrote ?
That's the spirit
You might want to find some very true news from twitter and post that, some may need cheering up.
Yup. It's amazing they have done so well considering. You'd have thought that a professional army would just slaughter them but no.
Putin did indeed give them no choice but to try and defend their lands. I guess that's what happens when someone just ups and invades a sovereign country.
You haven't provided evidence to support what you wrote though?
Everything you said can just be pure speculation or bending of propaganda from Russia or Ukraine.
As regards to it being an American proxy war. Russia invaded Ukraine, I am pretty sure when that happened, the Ukrainians didn't suddenly go, damn those pesky Americans. You may as well call the Falklands conflict a Russian proxy war seeing as they provided assistance to Argentina throughout that operation.
Well the counterattack on seemed to start a day ago, it looked like the Ukrainians were going to retreat from all of it (and had retreated from most of it) when suddenly, surprise... lots of Russian casualties and a big push back from the Ukrainian side.
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