Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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14-Jun-2022 11:13:29 - *Ukrainian President Zelenskiy: Pace Of De-Occupation Depends On Weapon Deliveries
14-Jun-2022 11:35:28 - *Ukrainian President Zelenskiy: It Is Not True That We Don’t Have Enough Weapon

14-Jun-2022 11:46:17 - *Gazprom: Nord Stream 1 Capacity Is Constrained to 100 mln Cubic Metres per Day
14-Jun-2022 11:47:32 - *Gazprom: Capacity Is Constrained Due to Issues With Equipment Supplied by Siemens

 

[StriderX]

I don't really think Ukraine's shopping list of arms is even that extensive since I'm pretty sure we could supply all of it. The biggest issue would be the tanks as realistically the only country that could shift that many tanks without becoming strategically vulnerable is the US with the Abrams sitting in boneyards, but that tank is a logistical nightmare to sustain to the point of fatal if they expended that much resources even trying.

 

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14-Jun-2022 12:33:58 - *Ukrainian Farm Minister: Russia’s Invasion Will Hit Three Ukrainian Wheat Growing and Export Seasons in A Row
14-Jun-2022 12:33:58 - *Ukrainian Farm Minister: At Least 5 mln T Wheat Are on Ukrainian Territory Occupied by Russia
14-Jun-2022 12:33:59 - *Ukrainian Farm Minister: Ukraine May ‘Significantly’ Decrease Winter Wheat Area Sown for 2023 Harvest Due to War
14-Jun-2022 12:34:00 - *Ukrainian Farm Minister: Ukraine’s Grain Exports Will Surpass 2 mln T in June vs 1.7 mln T in May
14-Jun-2022 12:34:00 - *Ukrainian Farm Minister: Ukraine 2022/23 Grain and Oilseed Exportable Surplus Could Total 55 mln To 60 mln Tonnes

 

[potatolord]

Looks like it is time for me to fill the shed with pasta.

Again.

 

[Peter75]

Quite funny when you put it like that lol.

All you're doing is proving my point. For the sake of avoiding a ban I won't be responding to you anymore.

 

[Harlequin]

Is there a relatively up to date account of combat losses on both sides? The last 20 pages have been filled with bickering ********.

 

[Roar87]

Is there a relatively up to date account of combat losses on both sides? The last 20 pages have been filled with bickering ********.

I would doubt the Russian and Ukrainian governments even have accurate figures

 

[bris]

Is there a relatively up to date account of combat losses on both sides? The last 20 pages have been filled with bickering ********.

You're never going to get accurate figures but right now both sides are losing a lot of men and resources every day..

it's street to street fighting, very close combat.

 

[Mr Jack]

I don't really think Ukraine's shopping list of arms is even that extensive since I'm pretty sure we could supply all of it. The biggest issue would be the tanks as realistically the only country that could shift that many tanks without becoming strategically vulnerable is the US with the Abrams sitting in boneyards, but that tank is a logistical nightmare to sustain to the point of fatal if they expended that much resources even trying.

Any tank they don't already have is going to be a logistical and training problem as well as potentially an engineering problem since many bridges in Ukraine simply weren't designed for heavier Western/NATO style tanks. The best tank in the world is worthless if you can't support it. Ditto jets, howitzers, etc. The supply of man portable weapons was so effective pre-war and early in the war in part because they don't need much logistical support. Handing out a Javelin (or whatever) to an infantry soldier and a day's training is all that is needed.

 

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Spoiler: *OPEC sticks to forecast of 2022 oil demand exceeding pre-pandemic levels but sees risks — RTRS

14-Jun-2022 13:40:29 - German Chancellor Scholz, on Russia Sanctions: We’re Planning a National Register for Assets Of Unclear Origins, Hotline for Whistleblowers
14-Jun-2022 13:42:25 - German Chancellor Scholz: Would Be Nice if New European Anti-Money-Laundering Authority Is Based in Frankfurt
14-Jun-2022 14:07:28 - German Economy Ministry: Monitoring Situation With Nord Stream 1, Security of Supply Guaranteed at the Moment

14-Jun-2022 15:00:00 - Russian Finance Ministry: Partially Restricts Release of Budget Data In Response to Western Sanctions
14-Jun-2022 15:00:00 - Russian Finance Ministry: Restrictions to Help Avoid Risks of Additional Sanctions
14-Jun-2022 15:00:00 - Russian Finance Ministry: Budget Surplus at 1.49 Trln Roubles in Jan-May 2022

Spoiler: *U.S. allows some Russian energy-related transactions until Dec. 5 — RTRS

Spoiler: *Putin likely still wants much, if not all, of Ukraine, Pentagon official says — RTRS

Spoiler: *Germany shelters Gazprom Germania with 10 bln euro loan - govt source — RTRS

Spoiler: *Russia bans 29 British journalists, along with defence figures — RTRS

Spoiler: *Russian central bank says fees for FX bank accounts unacceptable — RTRS

Spoiler: *Tennis-Russian and Belarusian players to be allowed to compete at U.S. Open — RTRS

 

[Minusorange]

Is there a relatively up to date account of combat losses on both sides? The last 20 pages have been filled with bickering ********.

Ukraine are reportedly losing around 100 a day and around 3x-5x that wounded, Russian numbers will be similar as it has basically become trench warfare with the odd city battle total losses for Ukraine are unknown but Russia are just over 30k KIA and 3x wounded (nobody knows the true number)

 

[Amnesia]

Doesn't mean they are losing, right now at least.

They want 500 more tanks ontop of everything they have recieved, ontop of what they had of their own, most countries do not even have 500 tanks to begin with.
But the fact they are asking for so much more, the fact it's Zelensky repeatedly requesting peace talks, it's Russia taking more and more ground and the Western media is not going bat crazy about the Ukrainian victories like they once did to me this suggests Ukraine are losing.

 

[Freddie1980]

Ukraine and Russia won't back down...hoping Russia just says they 'won what they wanted' and this can end.

Russia might get the land it wants but that doesn't mean Ukraine will back down or stop fighting to get it back. Ukraine only stop when it either runs out of men and ammo or pushes out Russia from its territory.

For me the best result long term is for Russia to be badly defeated to the point it can no longer threaten it's neighbours with military intervention. That view I believe is shared with the US, UK, northern and most of eastern Europe but disappointingly it looks like France and Germany want Ukraine to give up more territory to pay off Putin to get 'peace' (not like he ever honoured any of the previous agreements).

 

[dowie]

Ukraine and Russia won't back down...hoping Russia just says they 'won what they wanted' and this can end.

As above I think it's a bit naive to assume it would end just because Russia has got what it wanted. If some foreign power invaded the UK and took a chunk of our territory would you expect us to stop fighting once they declared that they've got the territory they wanted, especially if it is known they're actively killing and torturing people within that territory?

I suspect we'd still want to free our fellow countrymen and drive the invaders out. There might be a scenario where Ukraine is forced into concessions out of necessity but I think they'd only do so begrudgingly as far as any post-Feb 2022 Russian gains are concerned and I suspect it would take more than Russia simply declaring that they've taken enough and are going to pause.

 

[Minusorange]

hoping Russia just says they 'won what they wanted' and this can end.

It only ends with a decisive Russian defeat but even with a defeat the West & Ukraine don't really win, the only nation that will win in all of this is China

 

[Freddie1980]

It only ends with a decisive Russian defeat but even with a defeat the West & Ukraine don't really win, the only nation that will win in all of this is China

How do they win out of this? They can't get any more Russian oil and gas without building new pipelines into eastern Siberia and that's a 10 year project with the Chinese building and funding it. I'm not sure China would want to invest that amount of long term capital into a country that can't be trusted.

 

[Minusorange]

How do they win out of this? They can't get any more Russian oil and gas without building new pipelines into eastern Siberia and that's a 10 year project with the Chinese building and funding it. I'm not sure China would want to invest that amount of long term capital into a country that can't be trusted.

They win because The West is weakened and in crisis not only from sanctioning Russia leading to economic problems but also from supplying Ukraine with all that weaponry and equipment, it makes their own expansion aims that much easier with a weakened NATO

 

[Rroff]

Ukraine are reportedly losing around 100 a day and around 3x-5x that wounded, Russian numbers will be similar as it has basically become trench warfare with the odd city battle total losses for Ukraine are unknown but Russia are just over 30k KIA and 3x wounded (nobody knows the true number)

At a guess based on the likely numbers killed per day throughout the conflict it is probably around 18K KIA on the Ukraine side and 28K KIA on the Russian side. Though there have been some hard fought losses Ukraine has mostly, Mariupol aside, managed to avoid forces being encircled and destroyed mostly concentrating on containment until they have the forces to both attack and hold areas they successfully push Russia out of, while Russia has multiple times just sent in waves of infantry and when they go down, sent in another lot.

 

[Rroff]

They want 500 more tanks ontop of everything they have recieved, ontop of what they had of their own, most countries do not even have 500 tanks to begin with.
But the fact they are asking for so much more, the fact it's Zelensky repeatedly requesting peace talks, it's Russia taking more and more ground and the Western media is not going bat crazy about the Ukrainian victories like they once did to me this suggests Ukraine are losing.

As per the rest of my post - they need to not only win the current military campaign but also be able to secure that win as well - and that is going to take a lot of man power and a lot of equipment.

Not something I think the West has really prepared for or has its head around as many still seem to think this will or can be negotiated to a peaceful solution sooner or later while the facts on the ground don't really support that being possible as an eventuality - at least not while the likes of Putin and Lavrov are still around.

 

[alchal]

They win because The West is weakened and in crisis not only from sanctioning Russia leading to economic problems but also from supplying Ukraine with all that weaponry and equipment, it makes their own expansion aims that much easier with a weakened NATO

I agree China will be watching with glee at the likes of France and Germany, the key pillars of the EU dragging thier heals because they are more bothered about the money side of things, however I don't think military wise they will win, the US alone would slap China silly, let's not forget the vast majority of thier equipment are just Russian knock offs.


Also can't believe the pope has now joined the pro russian propaganda bullcrap payroll, just wtf.