Yes, Ukraine is completely innocent. There is not a single remotely valid justification for the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The West, on the other hand, could have done more to stop the escalation of the war in 2022.
Joining (or saying you have a possibility of joining) a defensive alliance is only a threat to a country that plans to invade you.
I wouldn't say completely innocent thanks to Azov and there was corruption in government but not enough to justify what Russia is doing
Azov was formed because Russia invaded in 2014 so is hardly a justification. Corruption is rife in Russia so I don't get that angle either.
It's just Russia doing what it's always done, invade neighbouring states for its own gain. And they act butthurt because all the surrounding states to join NATO and "compromise their security".
This is not about if the war is justified, it is not and I'm not sure why I keep needing to repeat this.
I said I respected the pope for aknowledging that not all sides did their best to prevent the war.
This is what the pope said.
“What we are seeing is the brutality and ferocity with which this war is being carried out by the troops, generally mercenaries, used by the Russians.… But the danger is that we only see this, which is monstrous, and we do not see the whole drama unfolding behind this war, which was perhaps somehow either provoked or not prevented,” he was quoted saying.
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He has made reference to the evil brutality in which the Russians have operated but to not aknowledge that all sides did not do their best to prevent this would have been disingenuous. I respect that he has aknowledged this too.
Now after that a load of posters started to rage, they look at each others replies and seem to foam or something as they quote me but don't address the quoted text, instead ignoring what I wrote and comparing it to supporting rape, gassing jews and mass murder.
It's a mob mentality.
Now I am going to repeat again the invasion was not justified but to say all sides are innocent and did their best to avoid the war is disingenuous.
When I say all sides I am including the Ukrainian government and not the Ukrainian people.
People can read the article from the Guardian which was wrote around the day of the invasion I think and may see why the pope and others say not enough was done to prevent the war.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine
You can dismiss that as Russian propaganda or you can give it a fair read, it does not justify the invasion if anyone is expecting that but it does support that all sides did not do their best to avert this war.
Some may say even if the West had bended to Russias requests that Russia could have still invaded and if that is how you feel then fair enough and it is a valid point as they could have, I do not share that opinion and feel more effort should have been made as the Ukrainian/Russian people are now paying the price.
This does not mean that the invasion is justified and I have to keep repeating that as people repeatedly rage and lose the means to comprehend what is actually wrote in my posts, they just keep trying to argue to get one over.
Just because you read the article it does not mean you agree with me in any way nor will you become comrade, you may get called it if you admit to reading it but I can't help that.
Now guys you can quote this post, rage a little, attempt to pick some arguments and claim I'm supporting rape and murder but I probably won't reply to you.
