Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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As rough as it might be and somewhat demoralising there is no strategic advantage in expending more forces than you have to currently on this front - inflict as many casualties on the enemy as possible while minimising losses in a slow withdrawal while concentrating on attacking from the sides and targeting their supply lines. Meeting the Russians head on here just expends a lot of soldiers without being hugely beneficial to the overall war.
Must be hard retreating out of that pocket given Russia probably has artillery lined up either side of the roads out of the region.
 
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Striking the shopping the centre is nothing more than a war crime , I keep saying it but like it or not untimely we are going to have to play nuclear poker.

NATO bolstering numbers today could they be ready for a no fly zone ? 10% of the world is supplied with wheat from Ukraine , what’s NATO going to do if Putin blockades all sea ports on the Black Sea , he only has to take Odessa .

Whers next , Moldova or Lithuanian ?
 
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Striking the shopping the centre is nothing more than a war crime , I keep saying it but like it or not untimely we are going to have to play nuclear poker.

NATO bolstering numbers today could they be ready for a no fly zone ? 10% of the world is supplied with wheat from Ukraine , what’s NATO going to do if Putin blockades all sea ports on the Black Sea , he only has to take Odessa .

Whers next , Moldova or Lithuanian ?

I don't think there is any next.

At this point Russia is not be able to take Western Ukraine, and I can't see that changing. They will have to consolidate soon, and will promote some sort of negotiated partition of Ukraine.

I'll nail my colours to the mast here: I expect tentative diplomatic moves towards this in the autumn.
 
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Cool, and how long have you been an expert in Russian Tactical Aircraft Doctrine or are we about to enter another Dowie Hole? :)

I think you're just in denial of reality, they tried and failed in the first few days of the invasion... keep drinking the kool aid though.
 
I don't think there is any next.

At this point Russia is not be able to take Western Ukraine, and I can't see that changing. They will have to consolidate soon, and will promote some sort of negotiated partition of Ukraine.

I'll nail my colours to the mast here: I expect tentative diplomatic moves towards this in the autumn.

IMO Putin knows a tipping point is coming but is hedging - last few days seems to have been trying to rally cooperation both domestic and abroad, then a very vague statement which for the first time hints at opening the possibility of possibilities.

To take western Ukraine would take massive mobilisation and committing to war - no more "special operation" and that seems to be dawning on Putin - but I certainly wouldn't bet on him stopping here.
 
Striking the shopping the centre is nothing more than a war crime , I keep saying it but like it or not untimely we are going to have to play nuclear poker.

NATO bolstering numbers today could they be ready for a no fly zone ? 10% of the world is supplied with wheat from Ukraine , what’s NATO going to do if Putin blockades all sea ports on the Black Sea , he only has to take Odessa .

Whers next , Moldova or Lithuanian ?

There's no such thing as a no-fly zone, that is a war with Russia.
 
It is amazing how many people don't understand this.


There are ways around this, it just requires more commitment, money and training.

Implementing a no fly zone that involves nato operating weapons that shoot at Russians is a no go, this includes nato operated systems and planes.

But there is a way to implement a pseudo no fly zone without having nato in Ukraine. It's called a ground to air, anti-air system. You just need enough of these systems to cover all the airspace along Ukraine's borders and the front line so nothing gets in.

Implementing no fly zone in Iraq and Afghanistan was easy, doing so against Russia and a large landmass is expensive but it can be done
 
There are ways around this, it just requires more commitment, money and training.

Implementing a no fly zone that involves nato operating weapons that shoot at Russians is a no go, this includes nato operated systems and planes.

But there is a way to implement a pseudo no fly zone without having nato in Ukraine. It's called a ground to air, anti-air system. You just need enough of these systems to cover all the airspace along Ukraine's borders and the front line so nothing gets in.

Implementing no fly zone in Iraq and Afghanistan was easy, doing so against Russia and a large landmass is expensive but it can be done
To join the conversation... The front line is being shelled constantly from Russian land, in addition to artillery barrage and advancement. There is no place for these weapons that would be considered safe... Thus when bombed they would be rendered useless. I don't see this as feasible unless Ukraine can strike Russian targets in Russian soil.
 
Striking the shopping the centre is nothing more than a war crime ...snip
Nothing more than an missile overshooting its target given its wasn't a very accurate missile by all accounts.
Sky gave it's Military Expert view point of an 'overshot missile', then dropped it again and went back to war quoting 'war crime' for click bait.

Crap if you are the collateral. Russia don't have the cash to blow up BlueWater for lolz.
 
To join the conversation... The front line is being shelled constantly from Russian land, in addition to artillery barrage and advancement. There is no place for these weapons that would be considered safe... Thus when bombed they would be rendered useless. I don't see this as feasible unless Ukraine can strike Russian targets in Russian soil.


They have quite the range though, they don't need to actually be on the front line they can be 100km behind it
 
Nothing more than an missile overshooting its target given its wasn't a very accurate missile by all accounts.
Sky gave it's Military Expert view point of an 'overshot missile', then dropped it again and went back to war quoting 'war crime' for click bait.

Crap if you are the collateral. Russia don't have the cash to blow up BlueWater for lolz.
₽10 has been deposited into your account, comrade.
 
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Russian officials: These western sanctions have no effect on our economy or ability to conduct our special operation.

Also Russian officials at its Bulgaria embassy: Please send donations for special military operation

https://www.euractiv.com/section/global ... donations/

"Lawyer Stoyan Madin announced that he had referred the case to the prosecutor’s office for possible complicity in war crimes in the form of encouraging Bulgarian citizens or foreigners on the territory of Bulgaria to provide financial resources to support the Russian military, which is committing war crimes."
 
Sky news:
'The UK is to provide an extra £1bn of military support to Ukraine, the prime minister has announced.
It will go towards capabilities including sophisticated air defence systems, uncrewed aerial vehicles, innovative new electronic warfare equipment and thousands of pieces of vital kit for Ukrainian soldiers.
It brings the total UK military support since the outbreak of war to £2.3 billion – more than any country other than the United States.'
 
mall bombing after reading some technical details of missile that hit mall, https://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/russia/as-4.htm
does look like the original guidance system was accurate to 5Km window and newer version with gps unspecified, nonetheless travelling at speed 1KM/s.
so NATO could call out could be that they are using indiscriminate weapons. ..
had the previous missiles of same type used in ukraine been similarly inaccurate.

do newer generation missiles have more accuracy courtesy of slower (final) approach speed.
 
Bernie Ecclestone left the GMB presenters gasp today in an interview about Piquet supporting Putin, saying Ukraine had all the chance in the world to give russia what they wanted.. Well Bernie's off the xmas lost of anyone who is anyone except Putin sympathisers.
 
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