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With Snake island "liberated", the wheat supply is only waiting for Ukraine to clear mines in Odessa port.
Of course they have no capability or will to do that, so waiting to see what other excuse they think of.
 
Hades said:
I wonder if their troops refused to be stationed there. It was a small area and a constant target. Nowhere to hide.
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Quite possibly. Also resupplying was going to be harder given recent losses and sticking expensive air defence equipment on there only to be blown up by long-range missiles Ukraine has recently taken delivery of could get rather expensive and unsustainable too.
 
Bald-Eagle22 said:
What are you talking about - care to explain?

If major food supplies are effected globally by Russia holding all Black sea ports how on earth do you get the Wheat out safely ?
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Who enforces the no-fly zone? Presumably it would have to be absolute top of the line NATO jets like the F-22 and F-35 flown by NATO pilots so they could even operate "safely" in Ukraine, then if a Russian jet entered Ukraine we'd shoot it down. What do you think would happen then? I'll tell you, Russia would fire cruise missiles at the airbases that those planes are operating out of, this would then trigger article 5 of the NATO treaty meaning the alliance would consider itself under attack by Russia, NATO would then declare war on Russia.

I'm not being funny, but did you not consider the chain of events that might occur when you decide to shoot down a Russian jet? It could lead to a nuclear war which would be the worst thing that has ever happened on Earth since an asteroid wiped out the Dinosaurs.
 
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At this point, do Russia even know what they are doing?

So far they have made themselves look inept militarily, destroyed their economy and actually caused the EXPANSION of NATO.
 
potatolord said:
One solution is to buy more wheat from Russia. The alternative is probably to watch Russia selling it to countries which then become tacit supporters.

Another is negotiating a settlement between Ukraine and Russia that allows mine clearance and use of black sea ports. That one needs time and diplomacy.

I suppose a no-fly zone and thetefore full scale Russia/NATO war is another option, but not one I'd choose.
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As I said and you eluded to it here were going to have to play nuclear poker with Putin one way or another . I just can’t see NATO not getting involved.
 
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30-Jun-2022 09:31:00 - Moscow Exchange: Holding Discrete Auction Of Gazprom Shares — IFX
30-Jun-2022 09:48:39 - Shares in Russia’s Gazprom Extend Fall to 32% After Discrete Auction

30-Jun-2022 09:37:33 - Russian Defence Ministry: Russian Forces Have Left the Snake Island In Black Sea — RIA
30-Jun-2022 09:38:59 - Russian Defence Ministry: By Withdrawing Troops From Snake Island Russia Demonstrates That It Does Not Hinder UN Efforts to Organise Corridor for Agricultural Products From Ukraine
30-Jun-2022 09:42:57 - Russian Defence Ministry: Russian Missiles Destroyed Ukrainian Military Control Centre Near Dnipro

30-Jun-2022 09:39:55 - Head of Ukraine President’s Office: Russian Forces Have Withdrawn From Snake Island
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That's good news, hopefully they can now de-mine Odesa and with the aid of a UN/NATO naval escort start exporting grain to those who need it.
 
Freddie1980 said:
That's good news, hopefully they can now de-mine Odesa and with the aid of a UN/NATO naval escort start exporting grain to those who need it.
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That's going to need Turkey to allow warships through - which at the start of this they said they would not do and I've not seen anything since February to indicate a change in that stance.

No commercial grain shippers will operate there: the risks of being sunk by what Russia still has left in the Black Sea are too great, not to mention long range missiles fired from Russia whilst they're in the ports loading up.
 
*seven said:
www.reuters.com

Ukraine fetes Russian pullback from strategic Snake Island outpost

Russia on Thursday withdrew from Snake Island, a craggy speck of land in the Black Sea, handing Ukraine a symbolically-potent political victory and depriving Moscow of a strategic outpost for its air defences and electronic warfare systems.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
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A gesture of good will. In other words they have finally tired of getting blown up there. One step closer to eliminating them from the Black Sea.
 
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30-Jun-2022 12:10:15 - NATO’s Stoltenberg: It Is President Putin Who Should Stop This War in Ukraine Immediately
30-Jun-2022 12:10:42 - NATO’s Stoltenberg: Sweden and Finland Have Every Right to Join NATO, but We Are Preparing for Every Eventuality
30-Jun-2022 12:11:09 - NATO’s Stoltenberg: We Are There to Protect All Allies, and Also Finland and Sweden
30-Jun-2022 12:14:33 - NATO’s Stoltenberg: Sweden and Finland to Send NATO Accession Protocol on Tuesday
30-Jun-2022 12:24:45 - NATO’s Stoltenberg: Turkey and Greece Are Trying to Facilitate an Agreement To Get Grain out of Ukraine
https://youtu.be/MyD5e8UZI4o

30-Jun-2022 12:21:44 - French President Macron: France Will Soon Deliver Six Additional CAESAR Guns to Ukraine
30-Jun-2022 12:22:28 - French President Macron: Russia Must Not Win in Ukraine As This Would Threaten EU Security
30-Jun-2022 12:24:35 - French President Macron: Rejects Argument That Russia’s War in Ukraine Could Be Justified By Supposed NATO Agression Towards Russia
30-Jun-2022 12:25:38 - French President Macron: Summit Decided to Reinforce Eastern Flank in Order To Respond to Russia Threat
30-Jun-2022 12:28:44 - French President Macron: NATO Membership of Sweden and Finland Will Strengthen These Countries’ Security
30-Jun-2022 12:29:36 - French President Macron: Finland and Sweden NATO Membership Is Clear Signal to Russia That Putin’s Strategies Are Wrong and Hurt His Own Interests
30-Jun-2022 12:30:12 - French President Macron: Result of Russia’s War on Ukraine Is Strengthening of NATO and European Security
30-Jun-2022 12:34:41 - French President Macron: NATO Is Not an Alliance Against China but We Must Take Account of Systemic Challenges Posed by China
30-Jun-2022 12:38:45 - French President Macron: Support for Ukraine Cannot Stop, Ukraine’s Fight Is The European Union and NATO’s Fight
30-Jun-2022 12:40:38 - French President Macron: Reforming EU Power Market Is Necessary to Limit the Economic Impact Of Russia’s War in Ukraine
30-Jun-2022 12:42:05 - French President Macron: Grain Supplies Held Up in Odessa Partly Shipped via Romania and Moldavia, EU Must Find Other Alternative Routes
30-Jun-2022 12:42:58 - French President Macron: Also Solution Needed to Ship More Fertiliser Blocked by War
30-Jun-2022 12:50:06 - French President Macron: French and EU Indo-Pacific Strategy Is to Make Sure Freedom and Sovereignty Is Respected, Does Not Want to See Destabilisation and Hegemony From China
30-Jun-2022 12:50:58 - French President Macron: Will Discuss Strategy In Meeting With Australian PM
30-Jun-2022 13:02:32 - French President Macron: Welcomes Denmark’s Cooperation With European Defense Initiatives
30-Jun-2022 13:04:57 - French President Macron: Now 12 French Caesar Artillery Pieces in Place in Ukraine, Six More to Arrive Soon
https://youtu.be/sG5xZyE-bis (French)

30-Jun-2022 12:27:34 - German Chancellor Scholz: Germany Will Begin NATO Ratification Process For Sweden, Finland This Week
30-Jun-2022 12:29:54 - German Chancellor Scholz: Our Contribution to NATO in Air, Land and Sea Will Be Expanded Greatly
30-Jun-2022 12:31:46 - German Chancellor Scholz: Will Hold Permanently at the Ready Regional Marine Commando In the Baltic Sea, Tank Division With 15,000 Soldiers, 20 Naval Units
30-Jun-2022 12:39:58 - German Chancellor Scholz: Does Not Want to Speculate How Long Ukraine Will Need Support in War
30-Jun-2022 12:44:12 - German Chancellor Scholz: Putin’s Comments About NATO Imperialism Are Ridiculous, Putin Is The One Making Imperialism His Goal
30-Jun-2022 12:50:05 - German Chancellor Scholz: Germany Has Policy of Doing What’s Necessary When Companies Face External Shocks
30-Jun-2022 12:55:09 - German Chancellor Scholz, Asked About Uniper: Help Must Be Decided on an Individual Basis
30-Jun-2022 12:57:06 - German Chancellor Scholz: We’re Ramping Up Military Capabilities As Fast As We Can
30-Jun-2022 12:59:02 - German Chancellor Scholz: No One Can Say What Would Make Putin End the War

30-Jun-2022 12:32:55 - UK PM Boris Johnson: We Must Recognise the Risk That Other Countries Don’t Take the Same View of Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine
30-Jun-2022 12:34:55 - UK PM Boris Johnson: If Ukraine Forced Into Bad Peace, Consequences Would Be Felt Around the World
30-Jun-2022 12:35:41 - UK PM Boris Johnson: Snake Island Is An Example of Ukrainian Resistance
30-Jun-2022 12:37:43 - UK PM Boris Johnson: UK Defence Spending Will Reach 2.5% of GDP by The End of This Decade
30-Jun-2022 12:50:58 - UK PM Boris Johnson: It Is Very Important to Remember We Have a Huge Economic Relationship With China
30-Jun-2022 12:51:10 - UK PM Boris Johnson: But There Are Areas in Which We Need to Challenge What China Is Upto
30-Jun-2022 12:51:58 - UK PM Boris Johnson: We Are Making Sure There Is a Balance and That We Are Standing Up to China Where Necessary
30-Jun-2022 12:57:30 - UK PM Boris Johnson: We Think Ukrainians Do Have in Their Power to Repel Russia
https://youtu.be/E1qXFCczmxM
 
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Rroff said:

It is kind of like a serial killer where that first kill breaks their inhibitions as to what they are doing, they may even start to enjoy it. I think there is certainly a lot of truth it won't stop at Ukraine if Ukraine falls.
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I don't think that's true. Russia isn't sweeping through Ukraine with ease winning battle after battle and looking like they'll push on into NATO countries. I think Russia wants to capture the Luhansk and Donetsk regions, I don't think they have intentions to go further than that. They're not having a good time and they need this war to end.
 
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