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Freddie1980 said:
The way you have spelt that is almost the Slavic female variant of Lukashenko (typically male names send with and I or O whereas female have an A at the end). Back to the point though for all of Lukashenko's many faults compared to Putin he has allowed a fair degree of economic freedoms which has helped Belarus economically. If Belarus ends up unifying or being absorbed into the the Russian federation CCCP style Lukashenko powers will be dramatically reduced as he won't be able to set laws, determine tax policy, who he gets to trade with, no control over the army or police etc. As I said I don't know any dictator who would willingly give-up power like that.
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Lukashenko has always been keen on unifying Russia and Belarus, it's just that he plans that it unifies under his leadership. Perhaps he's not expecting Putin to last long.
 
EddScott said:
Whilst I am not neccessarily supporting you, I have been in Kyiv during a national march (what we would probably consider as National Front/BNP march) I have never seen so many well armoured police in one place. Vans full of them.

My coloured friend and myself being served by a cute waitress who had "White" and "Pride" tattooed in large letters just under her ass.

Eastern Europe is fairly well known for not being quite as tolerant as we are in the West.

However, there is absolutely no question that in the years since I've been in Ukraine, they are doing their best to clean up their act. Do these Neo-Nazi groups exist, yes. Did the Ukrainian government use them when needed, probably yes. Has the Ukrainian government tried to tame these/this group, absolutely.

Is any of the above a reasonable justification for starting this war?
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Ofcourse not and I have never said this war is justified no matter what these posters say, this is just their attempts at smearing me to discredit any points I make.

This is where I stand:
  • I do not agree that all governments did their best to avert war, this includes Ukraine, USA, Russia.
  • I do not agree we should be cheering the suffering of ordinary Russian people because of Putins war...ie cheering that they are out of food.
  • I do not think people should ignore the suffering of the Ukrainian people just because it means more dead Russian soldiers.
  • I do not agree with the rampant Russophobia that is going on
  • I do not agree with all the lies that are spewed.

Amnesia said:
This is not about if the war is justified, it is not and I'm not sure why I keep needing to repeat this.
I said I respected the pope for aknowledging that not all sides did their best to prevent the war.

This is what the pope said.


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Now after that a load of posters started to rage, they look at each others replies and seem to foam or something as they quote me but don't address the quoted text, instead ignoring what I wrote and comparing it to supporting rape, gassing jews and mass murder.
It's a mob mentality.

Now I am going to repeat again the invasion was not justified but to say all sides are innocent and did their best to avoid the war is disingenuous.
When I say all sides I am including the Ukrainian government and not the Ukrainian people.

People can read the article from the Guardian which was wrote around the day of the invasion I think and may see why the pope and others say not enough was done to prevent the war.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine

You can dismiss that as Russian propaganda or you can give it a fair read, it does not justify the invasion if anyone is expecting that but it does support that all sides did not do their best to avert this war.

Some may say even if the West had bended to Russias requests that Russia could have still invaded and if that is how you feel then fair enough and it is a valid point as they could have, I do not share that opinion and feel more effort should have been made as the Ukrainian/Russian people are now paying the price.

This does not mean that the invasion is justified and I have to keep repeating that as people repeatedly rage and lose the means to comprehend what is actually wrote in my posts, they just keep trying to argue to get one over.

Just because you read the article it does not mean you agree with me in any way nor will you become comrade, you may get called it if you admit to reading it but I can't help that.

Now guys you can quote this post, rage a little, attempt to pick some arguments and claim I'm supporting rape and murder but I probably won't reply to you.
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This is what I wrote previously, it has a link to a very good Guardian article wrote around the start of the war definitely worth a read.
 
bigmike20vt said:
the problem is what is there to talk about RE peace talks ? is Putin going to pull out back to start of the year borders and pay for the damage his invasion has caused? if not why should Ukraine listen to him? (not saying they won't in the end be forced into it but if they are it is an injustice).
imagine if France invaded Britain and it was a bloody war. would the British be unreasonable if they didn't want to hear about peace talks which involved giving up Devon and Cornwall?

as for the Russian people. I don't hate them at all. I think some are brainwashed but others, those who dare to speak up risking arrest and far worse I have huge respect for
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The discussion regarding peace talks was a while back.

Realistic peace talks are extremely unlikely anytime soon, Russia and USA have invested too much to want to back down.
Russia has committed so much they will want Ukrainian land as payback.
USA didn't give so many billions just so Ukraine can rebuild it's country, they want Ukraine to fight NATO's proxy war and defeat Russia.
 
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Putin orders transfer of Sakhalin, stealing western tech is now the way forward, they have always done this look at the 90s. Expect the same from China, west lost their technical advantage.​

 
In Russia, the well-known propagandist Anton Krasovsky donated blood for members of the illegal armed group “DNR”. This was reported by Russian media.

According to the publication, back in 2017, the journalist officially admitted that he had a positive HIV status.
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What generous human being sharing his HIV with his fellow comrades.
 
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Freddie1980 said:
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What generous human being sharing his HIV with his fellow comrades.
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Presumably, there's a good chance he's gay too then... Bizzare that he supports Putin in that case.

I guess these days people can suppress HIV with medication to the point where it's basically disappeared and they could have sex with someone without infecting them, I'm not so sure about blood transfusions though???
 
dowie said:
Presumably, there's a good chance he's gay too then... Bizzare that he supports Putin in that case.

I guess these days people can suppress HIV with medication to the point where it's basically disappeared and they could have sex with someone without infecting them, I'm not so sure about blood transfusions though???
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I don't think it's bizarre at all.

There was that one Hungarian MEP that was mega 'family values' right up until he was exposed having a gay orgy. Some people will do anything to appease their in-group even if that group publicly despises, politically exploits their suffering and would happily exterminate them all to appease the frothing horde they're engendering to remain in power.
 
Mrwong said:

Putin orders transfer of Sakhalin, stealing western tech is now the way forward, they have always done this look at the 90s. Expect the same from China, west lost their technical advantage.​

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Having the tech is not comparable to having the logistical structure (spare parts, proprietary knowledge) and decades of human capital behind it.
 
I think if all NATO countries were as prepared as the USA we would have intervened by now. It's only that EU NATO is basically a superficial defence force with a few shiny advanced jets, but in reality they don't have enough kit to fight a war. For years we have had naive gullible leaders from mostly privileged backgrounds believing the world is better than it actually is.
 
I think also next time there is an election, instead of blindly voting for the same party, like supporting your local football team actually think about your decision and hold them accountable. If they don't perform, vote for someone else. Blindly supporting the same party for years, no matter what disastrous policies or decisions they may have made, is not doing you or anyone else any good.
 
supafly said:
I think if all NATO countries were as prepared as the USA we would have intervened by now. It's only that EU NATO is basically a superficial defence force with a few shiny advanced jets, but in reality they don't have enough kit to fight a war. For years we have had naive gullible leaders from mostly privileged backgrounds believing the world is better than it actually is.
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We don't have the industry or depth of reserves both human and equipment either.
 
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