The US could intervene whenever it wants as it could easily smash Russia... it's obvious why that hasn't happened and no amount of imagination about a perfectly prepared NATO would change that calculus.
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For some reason they became complacent and assumed Russia had become a cooperative state. It was probably all the money blinding them from the truth.
Seriously? They are providing Ukrain with billions in kit and Ukrain are keeping Russia in check as they are pretty crap when it comes to war arent they.
Nato has the 100 times more of the gear to do the job.
Put NATO into this war and it's over a week tops.
Russia have proven they are incompetent, Putin talks a good game but actions speak louder than word and all his actions have been is to slaughter as many civillians as he can.
Define 'over'.
Large areas of radioactive wasteland and tens of millions dead.
It looks like the British army would be shouting bang bang after 8 days in a real war.
www.dailymail.co.uk
British Army 'ran out of ammo in eight days in online war simulation'
Lieutenant General Ben Hodges told MPs that the 'entire British Army's inventory' was exhausted and 'every bit of important ammunition was expended' before the 10-day exercise finished.
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Russia don't care if it takes 300,000 or 300,000,000 dead to get the job done as long as the job gets done, they've never been competent at war, they've just thrown huge numbers at it to win, this is their mentality, life is worth very little for them
A week is a bit of an over hype for NATO, look at Afghanistan, over a decade and they left the country pretty much how it started with Taliban in power
You cannot compare Ukraine and Afghanistan, its two totally different scenarios
Afghanistan was an insurgent/guerilla war against a population - a war like this can only be won with vastly overwhelming numbers to hold down the populace as Russia is finding out right now.
A conventional military war can be ended quite quickly because enemy combatants will surrender when it looks likely they may die or loose the will to fight and go home.
A more direct comparison would be the Iraq war, where NATO went in and cleaned out the Iraq military quickly. Even though Russia is obviously stronger, its the most recent conventional war NATO has been in.
Now for the numbers, NATO did a good job in Afghanistan, they just didn't have the numbers to supress the population. NATO suffered 3.5k deaths in Afghanistan, the Taliban and its friends suffered 56k deaths, thats a very good ratio.
The problem is even at its peak, NATO only had 130k troops inside Afghanistan and it kept dropping over time. Afghanistan is a population of 38 million, even if only half support the Taliban its 19 million people against you and you cannot suppress a population of 19 million with just 130k soldiers. With the new information we have, its been estimated China would need to send in 2 million soldiers to suppress Taiwan's 23 million population
With Ukraine you are not worrying about the population, its a conventional war and so it can theoretically be ended quickly - not in a week though, thats too optimistic.
And if Russia responded by getting kicked out of Ukraine by doing mass mobilization then it can take a lot longer - but from what we can see, it looks like mobilization while fighting in Ukraine is difficult for the Kremlin to achieve, but if the Kremlin can paint a picture of the enemy on russian soil then mobilization would be accepted by the population.
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I wasn't comparing, I was pointing out the hype leaves a little to be desired when it comes to Western military "might" against technologically inferior oponents, to say it would be over in a week would be folly unless we include the nuclear strikes a war between the 2 would bring
That's what makes it rather odd, at least it's a hostile environment for gay people yet there's this guy, like some gay Uncle Tom, supporting the regime... I know it's not PC to say it but lets be realistic, he was probably quite a promiscuous gay guy if he's got HIV, the clubs etc.. he went to are at risk from the authorities, the people he had relations with at risk of being beaten up or worse and he's just openly supporting the regime.
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Sadly, many people will vote for a party because their dad did- in effect, it's hereditary.
People should vote in line with their interests, not out of blind loyalty.
I've been involved in these "simulated" exercises before. Whilst a good tool for command elements to "wargame", they are extremely unrealistic.It looks like the British army would be shouting bang bang after 8 days in a real war.
British Army 'ran out of ammo in eight days in online war simulation'
Lieutenant General Ben Hodges told MPs that the 'entire British Army's inventory' was exhausted and 'every bit of important ammunition was expended' before the 10-day exercise finished.
Yes I have no doubt that certain ammunition stores would likely be limited, especially due to certain training limitations due to safety. In the event of an actual full on "war" this shouldnt be too much of a issue, thats the whole point of NATO standards when it comes to ammunition.
Where are we going to get the materials and know-how to upscale wartime production?
Materials currently imported to a grave degree and knowledge has been left to rot due to fanatical adherence to globalisation without respecting strategic boundaries.
We already have the facilities and tooling to produce the ammunition, it comes down to budget and safety protocols. A lot of our recent shortages have come down to ever reducing budgets and the overly safety conscious regs. Ammunition has a "shelf life", with little current involvement in active war zones, we just dont hold huge wasteful stocks of ammo, this could change in the sudden face of imminent threat, there would be a lag time but we could ramp up ammunition stores "reasonably" quickly. bear in mind, I'm talking small arms and less sophisticated larger caliber ammunition types. More sophisticated weapons systems like modern ATGM and Anti Air systems would be a different story as we are solely reliant on private defence industry to supply these systems.
The knowledge of tech will eventually lead to the above. Just look at China how much they have advanced in the last 25 years. They were behind Russia and now they are far more advanced.
US fears China may have ten exascale systems by 2025
: China refuses to share benchmarks, US sharpens focus on developing optimized software
www.theregister.com
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