I don't know if it is genuine but there seems to be quite a few screenshots of panic on social media used by Russia military groups as to how accurate they can hit with it.
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I don't know if it is genuine but there seems to be quite a few screenshots of panic on social media used by Russia military groups as to how accurate they can hit with it.
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Wouldn't be surprised. I did read that the Russian anti-missile system also failed to stop them...think that was posted in this thread somewhere actually.
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I saw one report that they'd hit an S400 complex and destroyed it, which is meant to be an effective anti HIMARS defence.
Could be nonsense but does fit with what were seeing:
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S-400 is not intended to be used against targets as small and close as a HIMARS rocket. There are different weapon systems like Pantsir and Tor that should deal with those.
From reports, ukraine are using a tactic of launching a salvo of Uragan missiles, coupled with Tochka-U missile(s), so that defensive AA spends its initial rockets. Then follow up closely with HIMARS while AA reloads, and hit a "high value" target.
Nice tactic, if wasteful.
And from news like this it appears that the main goal is get some hype in the news. Bayraktar fizzled, so now there is a new wunderwaffe. "Even the mighty S-400 can't deal with it". Yeah, its not supposed to.
Take HIMARS news with a bag of salt. There are only a handful of those deployed, but pretty much everyone in this thread is convinced that there is not an ammo dump left intact across 2000km of frontline.
It is within its capabilities, just. But AFAIK that requires it to be setup a specific way, or an extended complex, when it would nominally be configured for use against combat aircraft and cruise missiles, etc. Normally you would have that layered mix of broad and point air-defence to deal with stuff like HIMARS.
EDIT: To be honest though I suspect a lot comes down to sloppy operations/complacency and not having the system running fully operational 24x7.
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It was effective against HIMARS, just not in the way intended.
Instead of shooting them down it facetanked them.
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Well comrade that was lucky they targeted the S400 rather than the commanders tent with my trabant parked outside!
Ukraine is jumping on the grey area of the news.
Targets are still being hit, so no not everything has been hit yet (latest reported hit just a few hours ago)
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How is the ruble the highest it’s been against the pound for the last 5 years?
The pound must be tanking like crazy
The pound must be tanking like crazy
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GBP has also lost a bit of ground against USD which isn't helping so it's definitely weaker than before. Lack of confidence in current PM alongside weak fiscal move (only bumped interest 0.25% last time instead of 0.5% some may have seen as necessary) are both also factors here I think.
Russia selling oil+gas to BRICS members.
I think the point is most of us here simply cant understand how anyone can defend a a monster who invades a country and deliberately targets civilians in their homes.Sure but let us be clear it is not just you.
There are plenty of posters here who get offended to the point of becoming enraged when something gets posted that isn't pro-Ukrainian.
They lose the ability to understand simple English, everything is taken as a personal insult and it must be a fight to the death for them(or they at least need to get the last word in).
Now look at yourself for example, all I did was take one quote from YouTube to prove it's not just bots and look at the response you give, you became angry unable to read the point that was being made and you responded like you fell down the stairs and were blaming me.
Another poster who has posted just after you, he just like you missed the point that the quote was demonstrating, that it was done by a human and other than that it was unimportant to my post. Yet here is alchal trying to debate the contents of the post with me lol.
I like to look at things from a more balanced view and do not agree with the propaganda war that most here are in favour of, I like to use links from BBC, Reuters and The Guardian but these are usually ignored or dismissed and Twitter seems to be the only accepted source of news.
I do not get why truthful news enrages 90% of you here, it has got to the point that there are x amount of forum users who keep checking in just to see if I have made a post. If I have and someone has replied in an argumentative way they then add a like reaction to the post.
Like seriously I have this much control over so many of you that you dedicate parts of your life to do this.
A lot of these people who add reactions do not generally post in the thread, they are just checking in to add reactions to posts replying to me lol.
I would say I feel flattered but I'm sure it will trigger half of you so I won't because I'm nice.
Any goals they hoped to achieve are long gone so turning the missiles on civillians is a serious war crime that only people like you can defend.
Sure your next post is "I am not defending them" but really you are, any one with half a brain can see who the agressor is and how it cant end in peace talks because putler wants Ukrainian land and he will not settle for anything else.
Not just the ammo, the size of that explosion has also taken out a lot of personel stocking up and working there. That blast radious would be huge.
Only in russia, its a useless currency everywhere in the world just now so it doesnt have a value anywhere else.
When the dust settle and the world accepts it again it will tank and take a long time to recover.
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From Wiki,
"Russian bloggers are complaining about the HIMARS system and other MLRS provided by the West. These bloggers are pro-Russian but comment on the war in Ukraine. Fighting Cat Murtz, a former pro-Russian rebel, wrote: "Now we've lost these warehouses one by one. Instead, out of the blue, a wild 'shell hunger' has just been created by the enemy who has mastered new foreign artillery systems and MLRS." A former rebel commander, Igor Strelkov, claimed 10 ammunition dumps have been destroyed, 12 command posts and numerous oil depots. He has also written on Telegram, where he has over four hundred thousand followers, about Russian air defence: "The Russian air defence system … turned out to be ineffective against massive strikes by Himar missiles. There have been big losses in personnel and equipment." Other bloggers have complained about the losses, failure to destroy these systems or have urged the dispersal of high value targets. One has written about NATO’s involvement: “A number of systems supplied by Nato enable high-precision strikes far in the rear, especially with Nato satellite intelligence,” Ukraine has not attributed specific strikes to particular systems. Russia has previously claimed the destruction of two HIMARS launchers, Ukraine has denied this claim. The governor of Luhansk, Serhiy Gaidai, said these strikes have slowed the Russian offensive."
"Russian bloggers are complaining about the HIMARS system and other MLRS provided by the West. These bloggers are pro-Russian but comment on the war in Ukraine. Fighting Cat Murtz, a former pro-Russian rebel, wrote: "Now we've lost these warehouses one by one. Instead, out of the blue, a wild 'shell hunger' has just been created by the enemy who has mastered new foreign artillery systems and MLRS." A former rebel commander, Igor Strelkov, claimed 10 ammunition dumps have been destroyed, 12 command posts and numerous oil depots. He has also written on Telegram, where he has over four hundred thousand followers, about Russian air defence: "The Russian air defence system … turned out to be ineffective against massive strikes by Himar missiles. There have been big losses in personnel and equipment." Other bloggers have complained about the losses, failure to destroy these systems or have urged the dispersal of high value targets. One has written about NATO’s involvement: “A number of systems supplied by Nato enable high-precision strikes far in the rear, especially with Nato satellite intelligence,” Ukraine has not attributed specific strikes to particular systems. Russia has previously claimed the destruction of two HIMARS launchers, Ukraine has denied this claim. The governor of Luhansk, Serhiy Gaidai, said these strikes have slowed the Russian offensive."
I know this maybe genuinely hard to understand, but this is the real world, not some fantasy world where good guys always win and bad guys get punished, and I don't mean that to sound sarcastic but it's something people just don't seem to understand any more.
In the real world national leaders can't act like emotional children screaming "You're a Monster" because, irrespective of their own emotions, they still have to live with and sadly deal with people in charge of a virtual super-power with access to Nuclear weapons. So whilst calling that leader a "monster" may make you, for example, feel all empowered for 1 second in reality it does nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING just like screaming in rage into the empty sky at night, whilst in the real world the Leaders and Governments around the world will still be dealing with and talking to Russia on a daily basis away from from all the childish name calling because thats how the world actually is.
We've even gave this system a name over 100 years ago "Realpolitik" - "a system of politics or principles based on practical rather than moral or ideological considerations." i.e. inter-Country Governmental business still gets done irrespective of what the Countries "officially" say about each other in Public and absolutely every Country does this to some degree, even sworn enemies.
It's sad and depressing that we can't live in some utopia but thats the grim reality of modern life, and nothings going to change that any time soon.
How did you interpret that as an outburst?
Bris's post wasn't emotional - I don't entirely agree with it as I think there needs to be an objective balance or you risk perpetuating the same kind of prejudices and so on which are the mark of brutal regimes. Someone who is ultimately responsible for, and seems essentially OK with, the kind of brutality going on in Ukraine as Putin seems to be is a monster. (And that includes the way Russian soldiers are treated and sent to their deaths as much as it does civilian casualties and so on).
Although I will add to that - Amnesia's posts aren't just trying to objectively balance the propaganda, etc. and has often treated the entire subject with a degree of flippancy while pushing anti-West rhetoric I think to stir things up for their own amusement rather than necessarily [actually] buying into the pro-Russian propaganda.
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At 18:36 some rare and probably unpalatable truth was posted. Thank you Ian.
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