Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Amnesia said:
Putin has almost reached his goals, he could just launch some missiles at Kyiv for the fun of it now, just to torment Zelensky and the West.
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Thats no longer their goal but if they do then Ukrain would have every right to start bombing further into Russia which they are clearly holding back from doing.
 
ianh said:
If so then, presumably, you'd have to be OK with Russia doing the same and having Russian Spetsnaz operating covertly around the UK as well, just to avoid being a massive hypocrite of course?
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Seriously, they have been operating and carrying out assinations in the UK for years. You didn't know this?
 
CapitalOne said:
Ex RAF chap on Sky news earlier saying that “the battle for Odessa is next”. I have no idea if that”s common conjecture or anything new.
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They've been taking some missiles but in terms of Russian advances breaking out of Kherson will likely be tough for Russia - Mykolaiv is heavily defended and Ukraine forces are counter-attacking at various points along the front. Don't think Russia is going to try an amphibious assault.
 
alchal said:
Hang on...we just had a long discussion where you were telling us that Putin was wining and arguing like hell and that Kiev was just a feint for the Donbass...
Pretty sure you asked me if I was related or sleeping with one of his family members to know that Putin wanted the government dead and the total occupation of Ukraine

Yet here we are and apparently you told us all that he would take the government out and take over Ukraine completely on day 1!!!!

So which is it?

Is his goal the total eradication of Ukraine or to take the Donbass?

You sure sound like the Russian government, say anything and everything and confuse the audience.
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You got confused but it's not because the message was confusing.

Putins original plan at the start of the invasion was to take out Zelensky and install a puppet government. Look at the date of the post, I even posted it above the quoted text.

That clearly failed as Zelensky is still incharge and most of the Ukrainian government in Kyiv is still intact.

Now moving on many months later Putins goals have changed, Putin wants to steal Ukrainian territory(which he is occupying and a little more) to make up for all the financial and military losses.

This does not mean Putin will try and occupy the whole of Ukraine as that is very very unrealistic., he certainly won't be trying to invade the whole of Europe like many here suggested.


Onto your other point, I have no idea which Russian dude you slept with, not even sure why you would bring that up here in a discussion about Ukraine.
 
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Rroff said:
They've been taking some missiles but in terms of Russian advances breaking out of Kherson will likely be tough for Russia - Mykolaiv is heavily defended and Ukraine forces are counter-attacking at various points along the front. Don't think Russia is going to try an amphibious assault.
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Correct

The "analyst" hasn't look at a map recently

If Russia decides today that it absolutely wants Odessa it would take a long time before it can have troops near the city because it's far from the front line and it's not possible for the Russians to do a successful sea landing due to mines floating in the water and Ukraine's anti ship missiles
 
Grim5 said:
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The "analyst" hasn't look at a map recently

If Russia decides today that it absolutely wants Odessa it would take a long time before it can have troops near the city because it's far from the front line and it's not possible for the Russians to do a successful sea landing due to mines floating in the water and Ukraine's anti ship missiles
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It is possible he meant the oblast/region but at least for now Russia seems to be concentrating on Bakhmut through Slovyansk with some distractions around Kharkiv. The next big push is likely either Dnipro or they might build up for another crack at Kyiv, though I'd have thought they'd delay that until conditions were better for moving armour.

EDIT: He may be referencing the Russian convoy building up to the south which as been moving on back roads keeping out of range of Ukraine long range/HIMARS but so far they seem more staging to move in response to any attempt to retake Kherson either directly or indirectly.

EDIT2: There is also convoys of Russian equipment being sent towards Zaporizhzhia direction but I think they are intended for the current push and through to probably Dnipro before they turn their attention to Zaporizhzhia itself.
 
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I don't see how Russia could possibly retake Kherson as Ukraine's first order of business would be to disable the bridge into the city thereby making anything other than a skeleton crew of harassers pointless. The only way they can hope to maintain control (in the situation where Ukraine gains momentum to take the city) is if they massively increase their position across the river and that risks entrapment if Ukraine is able to destroy the two bridges at Kherson and Nova Kakhovka.
 
bris said:
Seriously, they have been operating and carrying out assinations in the UK for years. You didn't know this?
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So just to be clear because people don't know that there is a difference - Russia has a known long history of killing dissidents abroad and there have been Russian "spies" from the GRU/KGB doing these things for years, just like our Secret Intelligence Service (aka MI6) "spies" have been running around Russia doing various things to their people/projects and, to be very blunt, that is expected in Government vs Governemnt spying/dealings. So when agents are caught we do a quiet prisoner exchange because everyone understands thats the rules of the "game".

However, Russia hasn't had its Special Forces running around the UK blowing things up, which is what BowdenUK and StriderX were requesting - that UK Special Forces should be let loose inside Russia.

Do you understand the difference between the two types of operation and the ramifications if members of the UKSF are caught inside Russia blowing things up?
 
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