Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I mean is it possible for a country to unilaterally hand a large chunk of its lands over to another.
We did it with Hong Kong kind of?

Normally ground is taken but I cannot imagine international laws would prevent Ukraine seeding ground to Poland.
Definately interesting!
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We leased Hong Kong from China as a settlement after a war, our lease ran out and we had to hand it back (or risk another war) we didn't just hand a chunk of sovereign territory over for no reason.
 
Hotwired said:
I'm not convinced that means anything.

Iran can't get parts and support from western aero and tech manufacturers just like Russia can't.
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I'd assume it would be a convoluted situation where the supply chain was China->North Korea<-Iran<-Russia as Iran and North Korea have some degree of cooperation when it comes to the industrial side of the military.

China, probably for political reasons and staying wide of sanctions, seems to want to keep a distance between itself and Russia militarily when it comes to the Ukraine war.
 
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Rroff said:
I'd assume it would be a convoluted situation where the supply chain was China->North Korea<-Iran<-Russia as Iran and North Korea have some degree of cooperation when it comes to the industrial side of the military.

China, probably for political reasons and staying wide of sanctions, seems to want to keep a distance between itself and Russia militarily when it comes to the Ukraine war.
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China makes money from World trade. They don't want to risk screwing their income. At some point they will almost certainly invade Taiwan though when they feel they can get away with it financially.
 
andybird123 said:
We leased Hong Kong from China as a settlement after a war, our lease ran out and we had to hand it back (or risk another war) we didn't just hand a chunk of sovereign territory over for no reason.
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The Chinese didn't either :p "leased" is a very mild description of how we got it.
Unbelievable today Britain was able to start a war with China, beat them, make them pay for the entire war plus the inconvenience, make them hand over Hong Kong forever and gain freedom to sell opium in China which was what upset the Chinese in the first place. Then later on there was a large expansion around Hong Kong on a 99 year lease and when China didn't feel like extending the lease everything including the original Hong Kong was returned, it being unusable without the expansion. Plus by that time the UK was not in a position to bully China.
By any measure China signed the original agreements at gunpoint.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I'm no engineer but that gap looks like its probably 4-5 metres or so (you can consider 5 yards for those stuck in the 19th century)
Plus the edges are likely to be pretty mullered as well so thats not going to be a couple of 1inch plates unless your very brave.

I mean I am sure it could be easily spanned with a proper bridge spanning section(s) but if they managed to do that much damage that easily to reinforced concrete a simple span is going to stand no chance
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Plus such repairs are dangerous work, the weapon that caused that damage is still in range and can easily drop more rockets on your head while you are trying to repair it
 
Hotwired said:
The Chinese didn't either :p "leased" is a very mild description of how we got it.
Unbelievable today Britain was able to start a war with China, beat them, make them pay for the entire war plus the inconvenience, make them hand over Hong Kong forever and gain freedom to sell opium in China which was what upset the Chinese in the first place. Then later on there was a large expansion around Hong Kong on a 99 year lease and when China didn't feel like extending the lease everything including the original Hong Kong was returned, it being unusable without the expansion. Plus by that time the UK was not in a position to bully China.
By any measure China signed the original agreements at gunpoint.
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Gunboat diplomacy kind of stops working when the other guy has more gunboats.
 
Ah Russia cutting Germanys gas supply to nothing due to ‘maintenance’ makes the deaths of all those Gazprom executives make sense. They probably ran it as a business where the Kremlin wants to weaponise it. Anyone who’d get in the way … pooft, disappear. Or boom/fall/suicide
 
Washout said:
Ah Russia cutting Germanys gas supply to nothing due to ‘maintenance’ makes the deaths of all those Gazprom executives make sense. They probably ran it as a business where the Kremlin wants to weaponise it. Anyone who’d get in the way … pooft, disappear. Or boom/fall/suicide
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In these regimes everything is a weapon or tool for the politics, it doesn't just happen in Russia but in China too - every business is just a tool or weapon to be used by the government when it wants to. The Chinese currently focus more on the "tool" aspect of it, so they have a law that requires CCP members to sit on the board so the business can be used as the government wishes.


But both Russia and China have a knack for making sudden decisions to end businesses when it furthers political aims or the tool/weapon is no longer useful.
 
Germany, and others, look bullied. Announcing they will cut their own gas requirements by 15% is like making a statement to a bully "I'll give you by lunch box every day".

It's not going to stop Russia reducing gas further.

Germany and Europe are being smothered to death.
 
BowdonUK said:
Germany, and others, look bullied. Announcing they will cut their own gas requirements by 15% is like making a statement to a bully "I'll give you by lunch box every day".

It's not going to stop Russia reducing gas further.

Germany and Europe are being smothered to death.
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Should never ever have let themselves be so dependant on Russian gas. Germany's electricity / power setup is a country wide joke and has been for the last decade.

Even before this cut they knew they needed to wean themselves off so it'll be the jolt they need to do it. Winter will be tough though which is why they're calling for this reduction now.
 
Does my head in the West can't cooperate on emergency measures and fund a civilian program to alleviate the dependency - sure in the short term it might be costly and a lot of effort/upheaval. Sure Germany should have known better and in some ways made their own bed but if we are going to come out with the upper hand in this situation we need to fix it.
 
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