Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
By the way I take your "you lot hated on muslims" as highly offensive. I don't nor ever have hated on Muslims.
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and then you go on to say this
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Seeing as you seem such a fan of brutal, dishonest, law breaking, despicable countries why don't you move to one?
Which would you prefer, China or Russia, I am sure we could have a whip round if you couldn't afford it.
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sounds awfully like "if you don't like it here then why don't you go back to your own country"
 
Thekwango said:
is there any news updates happening in this thread now or is it just a place for 4 or 5 folk to argue back and forth?
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I think things have largely slowed down post HIMARS, no one is making much progress and Ukraine is reaching parity in terms of artillery (maybe not in numbers but what they have is more effective).

Russian logistics are strained by not being able to stockpile anywhere near the front line so their artillery crawl tactic is on hold.
 
Amnesia said:
and then you go on to say this


sounds awfully like "if you don't like it here then why don't you go back to your own country"
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What are you on about, were you not born here?, I assumed you were, so no I am not saying go back to your own country when I assumed you already were.

As I said you seem fine with these regimes and simultaneously don't seem to support our standards and the west position.
If I was so against what the country I was living in was doing, I would move to one that held the views that aligned well with mine.

Again your posting comes across as someone who only seems to see black and white and does not see the shades in between.

Stop projecting your own warped view onto me. I DO NOT NOR EVER HAVE HATED ON MUSLIMS, or the Chinese.
It doesn't stop me being able to see the issues that both have in regards fitting in with a Western lifestyle and openness.
 
Amnesia said:
On the contrary I have already pointed out months ago that I will always be against the majority here.

When you lot hated on Iraqis because of Bush's and Blairs war I was against you, nor did I believe the propaganda back then either.
You lot hated on muslims for over a decade, ofcourse I was against you.
I was also against those of you who hated on the chinese during the covid pandemic.
I've also made it pretty clear that I do not hate Russians nor do I blame them for Putins war.
I have also stated months ago that I will be against this same crowd when they hate on the Chinese when it kicks off with China.

So if you ever think that I am close to sharing or wanting to share the same view as you lot, nothing could be further from the truth.






I remember when people here were saying microsoft has blocked the installation of Windows 10 and 11 in Russia, forum members here cheered and thought Russians would never be able to install windows or recieve any more updates, totally forgetting people had been installing windows from disks for years.

Now I did point out at the time that VPN's would bypass this and they would probably educate their own(Russian) population on VPN's, a few here still did carry talking as they were unconvinced.

Now here we are again so many months later someone still believing that because RT has been blocked in the UK that it cannot be accessed by a VPN.
It genuinly is quite shocking how clueless some of the population can become when they believe everything they read from Twitter.
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Hang on a moment i think you are building a hell of a straw man here...... I cant speak for everyone, but i suspect a lot will feel similar to me.

I NEVER hated on Iraqis - But did have a problem with their government (which the west had a huge part in, giveing Saddam weapons against Iran but that is a separate issue) (truth is I wasn't a supporter of the 2nd Iraq invasion, which later on turned out to be correct to be concerned...... imo we should not have gotten involved but that is by the by.......)
I never hated Muslims - but do hate al-Queda and have a problem with the Taliban. I also take issue with the minority of non uk born Muslims who live in the west, whilst at the same time preach hate against it. IF you are not born in the west and hate it so much then go home. .... and no i dont think this is unreasonable. (note preaching hate is not the same as respectful demonstration)

I do not blame "Russians" for the war in Ukraine..... I DO blame Putin and those in power who support him..

I dont even blame what i have to believe are the majority of Russian Soldiers, they are doing their job........ but there is a cold place in hell for those who assault unarmed non combants as well as mutilate soldiors they capture..... Any Ukranians who do the same i also feel the same way, but at the same time when it is your home being invaded i can understand why blind hate may lead to unforgivable actions. The Russian invaders do not even have that excuse. (even from a tactical standpoint its boneheaded.............. the next wave of soldiers cornered and asked to surrender, now they know what is waiting for them if they drop their weapons..... i know if it were me i would rather go down swinging and take a bullet than face what it seems other POWs have had done to them.

There is a lot to be said for treating the enemy humanely if captured assuming your goal is to win whilst minimising casualties.

bit of a segue but one of my close childhood friends, his dad was a............. i think he was 19 ........... year old crew person in a German plane shot down in WWII.... as a POW he was given shelter in the village i was from where he worked on a farm (lack of men in the war so women and POWs did a lot of the work)....... the locals understood he was not "evil" and generally treated him well, and indeed he ended up dating and marrying one of the locals - hence my mate was born.

it was this treatment in part which caused his allegiance to change and you can be sure that kind of thing DOES filter back to front even more so today with communication as it is..
 
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Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Seeing as you seem such a fan of brutal, dishonest, law breaking, despicable countries why don't you move to one?
Which would you prefer, China or Russia, I am sure we could have a whip round if you couldn't afford it.
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Grim5 said:
And where do you come from?
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bigmike20vt said:
IF you are not born in the west and hate it so much then go home.
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There seems to be a theme here....can't quite put my finger on it.
 
diamount said:
Wasted effort, Amensia has no interest in an debate, just posting his contrarian viewpoint & clearing off for a few pages when his faulty logic is shown for what it is.
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Not true, I just do not want to clog the thread up with constant arguing so I like to make my point and end it there.
 
Amnesia said:
Not true, I just do not want to clog the thread up with constant arguing so I like to make my point and end it there.
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You cannot make statements such as "When you lot hated on Iraqis because of Bush's and Blairs war I was against you, nor did I believe the propaganda back then either." Then expect the rest of the forum to go "Yea solid point we'll just leave it at that"
 
Amnesia said:
There seems to be a theme here....can't quite put my finger on it.
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I am just being logical.
IF chose to live in a country where i wasnt born or raised, I think it is ok to be expected to, if not live by, then at least tolerate its local laws. IF the local laws angered me so much that I wanted to try to start an uprising then i am frankly living in the wrong country, and i think me choosing to leave, or being forcibly deported IS acceptable.... to a point it is their house, their rules and I am there as a guest.

OTOH I am more than happy for anyone to have a live and let live attitude and I enjoy living in our multicultural society even if we do not always share each others views.
 
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Amnesia said:
There seems to be a theme here....can't quite put my finger on it.
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Agree

People calling you out for projecting onto others.
You seem to have shoved everyone who doesn't agree with you into one simple box, assuming they disagree with you on everything.

Your post was very low and at least in my regard almost completely wrong.

The Bush / Blair was one I disagreed with you on. And I still do.
The question was not did the Iraqis have weapons of mass destruction (as defined including nerve gasses etc), but did they STILL have them.
They verifiably did have them at one point.
 
Amnesia said:
On the contrary I have already pointed out months ago that I will always be against the majority here.

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Being always against the majority is not a good thing.

I appreciate that some of your contributions are worthwhile. In particular, that some people are just lapping up the propaganda and are unwilling to take a sceptical view of some of the (frankly ludicrous) claims being made.

However, it does feel that recently you are getting into personal spats with others.

If you could keep your posts focused on facts (or lack of them), rather than your opinions of others' views, that would be very helpful.
 
Such elections can't be taken seriously.

Invade a country => Force a bunch of the citizens to flee => The ones that left behind are likely either indifferent, trapped, or pro Russian => Hold election with people still present (probably fudged results or held at gunpoint) => Oh look, what a surprise, they voted to join Russia.

That won't be internationally recognised by anyone other than countries that support Russia, and there aren't many of them.
 
Amnesia said:
WION is not pro-Russian
It certainly would not be monetized on youtube with millions of followers if it was pro-Russian.

What it does do well is update quite often so you usually get the latest updates from WION quicker than you would from the BBC.

It's certainly more trustworthy than Twitter.
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Everything I have seen is pro russion on that channel, being pro russian yourself it should be easy to spot for you.
 
HungryHippos said:
Such elections can't be taken seriously.

Invade a country => Force a bunch of the citizens to flee => The ones that left behind are likely either indifferent, trapped, or pro Russian => Hold election with people still present (probably fudged results or held at gunpoint) => Oh look, what a surprise, they voted to join Russia.

That won't be internationally recognised by anyone other than countries that support Russia, and there aren't many of them.
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There would be a moral high ground somewhere in this if west hadn't pulled this trick with Kosovo.
 
alec said:
There would be a moral high ground somewhere in this if west hadn't pulled this trick with Kosovo.
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You might be missing just a tiny little bit of context in that comparison.

At least some of that context would include how the former president of the country you appear to be comparing to Ukraine ended up in the Hague...

Basically it's not a good comparison, and whether you believe something is hipocrisy or not doesn't really change the rights and wrongs of the situation.
 
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