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Yeah credit where credit is due, if this is all genuine then I can get onboard the hype train.

I'll subscribe to the timeline where AJ beats Fury and has a trilogy with Usyk... just to get beaten again. :D
 
Yeah credit where credit is due, if this is all genuine then I can get onboard the hype train.

I'll subscribe to the timeline where AJ beats Fury and has a trilogy with Usyk... just to get beaten again. :D
Well that’s one way for Fury to get out of the Usyk fight :D.

Fury is the favourite for sure but it’ll be a good fight. Rematch next year in the Middle East :D.
 
I'm not sure how AJ beats Fury. AJ isn't good enough technically and doesn't seem to swing for the trees any more. So how does he win?
 
Joshua/Fury isn't happening, is it? I suspect Fury knows it won't happen but knows he's going to come out of this looking good for making a public offer.
 
Why is it all being done via social media? Fury in need of the views or something?

To stop the rumours I guess? Fury wants a fight and is trying to goad aj into accepting. To stop the noise and not give aj and excuses he's gone on record saving its 60/40

Of course hearn won't accept it. He wants to milk his cash cow a good few more times against bums billed as ajs 'big comeback', 'redemption' or some other bs cliche
 
To stop the rumours I guess? Fury wants a fight and is trying to goad aj into accepting. To stop the noise and not give aj and excuses he's gone on record saving its 60/40

Of course hearn won't accept it. He wants to milk his cash cow a good few more times against bums billed as ajs 'big comeback', 'redemption' or some other bs cliche
What makes you think that? What fight has AJ ducked out of interest? Don't say Wilder as even Wilder has admitted he gave Fury a fight instead of AJ for less money.

I hope the fight can be made but I suspect it will fall through again which will be a massive shame for the fans. Ironically I think Fury would easily beat AJ for no other reason AJ's confidence must be shot.
 
I'm not sure how AJ beats Fury. AJ isn't good enough technically and doesn't seem to swing for the trees any more. So how does he win?
I think, assuming this fight goes ahead, AJ will be dangerous as he has nothing to lose and will go for it. I think people need to realise who he just lost to. Usyk isn't some chump, he lost to the pound for pound #1 boxer. He did much better in the 2nd fight (though I don't agree with the fight being a split decision) and that version of AJ troubles most heavyweights.

If Wilder, who isn't close to being as technically as good as AJ, was able to land big shots on Fury, why do people assume someone who is more accurate with their punches couldn't. Fury will not be able to fight AJ the same way he fought Wilder or Whyte. AJ is able to throw fast combinations, is underrated on the inside and is physically stronger than Wilder.

Of course Fury would be the favourite going into the fight but I've always had the feeling that AJ beats Fury. It's a much easier fight for him fighting Fury than it would be Usyk.
 
I think, assuming this fight goes ahead, AJ will be dangerous as he has nothing to lose and will go for it. I think people need to realise who he just lost to. Usyk isn't some chump, he lost to the pound for pound #1 boxer. He did much better in the 2nd fight (though I don't agree with the fight being a split decision) and that version of AJ troubles most heavyweights.

If Wilder, who isn't close to being as technically as good as AJ, was able to land big shots on Fury, why do people assume someone who is more accurate with their punches couldn't. Fury will not be able to fight AJ the same way he fought Wilder or Whyte. AJ is able to throw fast combinations, is underrated on the inside and is physically stronger than Wilder.

Of course Fury would be the favourite going into the fight but I've always had the feeling that AJ beats Fury. It's a much easier fight for him fighting Fury than it would be Usyk.
AJ had a chance last time to go for it and never did against USYK.
 
AJ had a chance last time to go for it and never did against USYK.

May that be because Usyk was so good, he didn't allow AJ to go for it?

Usyk and Fury are not in the same league and fighting them would be very, very different. As always... Styles make fights. I think AJ's style is suited to fighting Fury more than it is Usyk.
 
He's never ducked anyone and always had the hardest fights. He could be called many things but a ducker is not one of them
That's my belief as well just interested in what made @Kill_Phil form his opinion.
I don't think it's a case of ducking the fight but it simply doesn't make sense for Joshua right now. If you're Joshua, coming off the back of two losses, the last being just a few weeks ago, do you really want to go into the biggest and hardest fight of your career in just 2 months time? Forgetting everything else, that alone just doesn't make sense to me.

The above is the boxing reason why the fight doesn't make sense but there's so many commercial reasons why it doesn't make sense too. Fury - Joshua should be the biggest fight in their careers and we all know that will only be the case if this fight happens in the middle east. This fight won't make close to the same amount of money in the UK, especially if it's in Cardiff. So straight away you've got a decision, fight now in Cardiff and maybe earn £30-40m or fight in 18 months in Saudi and make 3 times that? If Joshua takes this fight and loses, as we all expect then his career is in tatters. The value of all future fights will take a massive hit and beyond some hyped rematch with Whyte, there's pretty much no where for him to go. Oh and of course Joshua is now tied to DAZN which makes any agreement incredibly difficult and not something that I think can be done at short notice.

It's far more logical for Joshua to fight a couple of nobodies, build some story about him on the hunt to reclaim his belts, then over hype a Whyte rematch and then fight Fury in 18 months for mega money.

FWIW, I don't think Fury and his team want the AJ fight now either. As unlikely as a loss may be, do they really want to jeopardise the undisputed fight by fighting Joshua now? I suspect they know Joshua can't or won't accept and the offer is a PR stunt and or to justify why he ends up fighting some bum in November.
 
I, personally, don't think the Fury fight is harder for him than the Usyk fights were. Usyk and Fury are completely different fighters and I think AJ would have much more success against Fury than he had with Usyk.

You do have a very valid point about networks and promotional contracts though but for a fight this big I'd be shocked if BT and DAZN couldn't come together. HBO and Showtime came together for Mayweather vs Pacman due to there being too much money on the table. I think the same could happen again.

Of course I also think this could all be noise and we see Fury vs Charr in the winter.
 
Whether it's slightly harder or not quite as hard as the Usyk fights, it's still an incredibly tough fight and I really don't see how it makes sense to take that fight on 2 months notice with your entire career pretty much on the line. Certainly not for anything other than mental money, which isn't going to be on offer either.

Like Mayweather - Pacquiao (and Brook - Khan) I think this is a fight we're not going to see until the end of their careers. The undisputed fight was the only way I could have seen it happening sooner.
 
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