Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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alchal said:
I'm going to assume you are on a wind up again.



Ukraine was defending it's land,cities etc,
Should they have stood in an empty field and duked it out ?

Pray tell,how you would defend a country?

For that matter let's see all these hospitals and schools that were fortified etc, I'm sure you have bucket loads of evidence to provide.
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My point, that you deliberately miss, is that AI reported "bad Russians" for months to full worldwide applause, yet after 1 single "the Ukrainians have done a bad thing which is nowhere near as bad as the stuff Russia doing" report suddenly you now hate them, believing them to now be Russian propaganda or similar.

Again, the difference between "the truth" vs propaganda.

Its easy to see you haven't read the report made by the actual observers on the ground, you really should, it's far more inoffensive and justifiable than you might imagine, once you have facts instead of Social Media hatred to go on. AI even said in the report that Ukraines actions don't excuse Russia action in committing atrocities, which you'd know if, again, you'd read the one single thing that you are tearing apart. Here's a link - https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...krainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/

Now compare the very mild language in that to the language they used berating Russia for committing atrocities, or would that be too much to ask that you read rather than blindly react?

I do agree with Mercenary in their quote, AI look for war to be perfect when it is anything but which means they often will report on both sides even when there is a distinct "good vs bad" side, however hiding the mistakes of one side because "they're the good guys" would make them just as bad as a pro-Russian troll doing the same for their side as neither woul then care for the truth.
 
Harlequin said:
The you tube commentators are saying the German Armed Forces are in such poor condition, this war in Ukraine has exposed massive problems. They might only have 4 working systems in total....
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The war hasn't exposed anything as this has always been the case since reunification.

I'd rather wait and see if this new funding and revitalisation of their armed forces actually goes anywhere before casting any more aspersions upon them personally, least they didn't choose a bullpup as their standard issue rifle...
 
Harlequin said:
The you tube commentators are saying the German Armed Forces are in such poor condition, this war in Ukraine has exposed massive problems. They might only have 4 working systems in total....
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Reading the comments apparently they have to build and test them etc so it makes sense.
 
but I suppose 4 IRIS-T could dominate a pretty large airspace. 4 could cover the whole kherson front and detect anything incoming all the way from crimean airspace

and much was made of russian surface to air missiles but they have been found wanting ...I bet the german equivalent is a lot more efficient!
 
StriderX said:
The war hasn't exposed anything as this has always been the case since reunification.

I'd rather wait and see if this new funding and revitalisation of their armed forces actually goes anywhere before casting any more aspersions upon them personally, least they didn't choose a bullpup as their standard issue rifle...
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Perun had an interesting video talking about the German procurement system ; the money now has to be spent - and bids arnt even in yet for the kit. The UK is the same, there isnt long term procurement plans, just short term expensive quick fixes.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
The problem with NATO/The West supplying tanks to the Ukrainians is that they are by their very nature offensive weapons and the Russians could see this as an escalation/Western agression.
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Don't think anyone gives a toss what the Russians think now.

Its not as if they approve all the other arms we send them.
 
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HungryHippos said:
Yep they're missing the unbreakable immortal black orcs from Warhammer 3 TW.
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I know you jest, but didn't the Soviet armies used to have secret police embedded very much like the Nazis did too?

Having KGB FSB units in the army who'd shot you if you are considering surrendering would be a very bad thing: only worse would be a North Korean thing were they'd afterwards charge your relative to pay for the bullets.
 
KompuKare said:
I know you jest, but didn't the Soviet armies used to have secret police embedded very much like the Nazis did too?

Having KGB FSB units in the army who'd shot you if you are considering surrendering would be a very bad thing: only worse would be a North Korean thing were they'd afterwards charge your relative to pay for the bullets.
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They had / have political commissars to keep the faith.
 
KompuKare said:
I know you jest, but didn't the Soviet armies used to have secret police embedded very much like the Nazis did too?

Having KGB FSB units in the army who'd shot you if you are considering surrendering would be a very bad thing: only worse would be a North Korean thing were they'd afterwards charge your relative to pay for the bullets.
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I don't know much about the way the FSB operate in depth, but a lot of the things that Russia seem to do is straight out of the Nazi SS playbook as far as I can see.

Rule by fear, encourage people to snitch on eachother, indoctrinate kids (and adults) with propganda, encourage hate for other "lesser" cultures/people etc.

If you twist words around enough you can certainly persuade a lot of people of some very stupid and dangerous ideas.
 
Mr Jack said:
Most of that stock is useless without substantial work and parts that Russia may not even have.
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Producing newer vehicles does allow them to be supplied to units elsewhere freeing up hardware to use in Ukraine but overall doesn't seem the most useful approach for the kind of scales and times required when it comes to Ukraine.
 
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