Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Status
Not open for further replies.
Minusorange said:
It's hard to tell what's propaganda and what is truth
Click to expand...
Yeah we are back to the situation at the beginning, with huge amounts of speculation, rumor and Information.
Ukraine were doing so well with Operational Security for so long. However its very difficult to keep huge shifts in momentum under wraps.
Now we are back in the early days where information was key and Ukraine were trading on its value. Thankfully there has been recent moves to impose OPSEC and intelligence blackouts where possible. Its key to keep the Russkies 2nd guessing on tactical and strategic movement.
 
dowie said:
Eh? Why not?

Surely the opposite is the case, if things were going great they'd not need pontoon bridges... the reason they need pontoon bridges is because things aren't going well at all, the actual bridges to Kherson have been bombed and the Russian troops on the other side of the river are in desperate need for supplies, some units negotiating surrender etc..
Click to expand...
I should have said, I don't believe they've been abandoned, you don't send more pontoons for units you've given up on, they could be cut off though although I don't think they're completely cut off, supplies will still be getting across but it will be a trickle on the barges they have set up there
 
In terms of fatigue - I suspect 4-5 days is more true for Western armies used to the [relative] comforts of home who aren't fighting for the immediate defence of their homeland, etc. from everything I've seen many of the Ukrainian forces can probably double that.

In terms of command/leadership though after around 3 days they will hit a wall and that will likely be the same - you can alternate leaders, but ultimately a lot will hinge on a small number of commanders who most others will defer to and even those most able to detach themselves emotionally and/or through the use of substances won't be able to entirely switch off in down time if at all and that takes a toll.
 
Russian forces are experiencing a shortage of artillery shells and are looking to buy old Soviet-era ordnance from a number of Central Asian countries.
Click to expand...
According to the report, Russian military procurement has recently requested to purchase ammunition for its Uragan rocket artillery from Tajikistan, along with artillery shells and armored personnel carriers.
Click to expand...
 
Grim5 said:
Ruling party in Georgia's government wants a referendum to see if it should attack Russia
Click to expand...

Is this actually about attacking Russia, or about re-claiming the territories in Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Can't imagine there's a better time for the latter (although it's still very risky) but the former seems like madness.
 
Mr Jack said:
Is this actually about attacking Russia, or about re-claiming the territories in Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Can't imagine there's a better time for the latter (although it's still very risky) but the former seems like madness.
Click to expand...

The mouse that roared. (Sixties comedy film).

Minor impoverished European state declares war on the US hoping to lose and score foreign aid.
 
alchal said:
What, no proofs to back up this putinbotski??
Click to expand...
It's probably true tbf but the tweet is hyper-sensationalised and without content. That area is heavily contested and Wagnar have been trying to push the Ukrainian defenders out of the immediate area around Bakmut for best part of two months now.

This is the only front left were Russian forces can still push so it's not exactly a counter offensive when one side was already doing the attacking to start with. Besides moving forward a 1/2km's is hardly a game changing breakthrough. I suspect that territory will back in Ukrainian hands by year's end assuming Putin doesn't conscript a massive new army or use nukes.
 
Rroff said:
I'm not convinced that is about ammo shortage as it is about securing support for a potential larger mobilisation - the are tons of Russian ammo dumps, caches, depots, etc. being taken by Ukrainian forces in Kharkiv including large amounts of 152mm shells, etc. (albeit to paraphrase as one commentator put it "that ammo probably remembers Stalin").

For example https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1568154003875270656 , https://twitter.com/MrFukkew/status/1568307517201043460 , etc.
Click to expand...
Would the explosives still work after all that time? I thought these things had expiry/best before dates (or whatever the military equivalent is)?
 
Tuppy_Glossop said:
Surely the Georgians just want the occupied Abkhazia and South Ossetia regions back.
Click to expand...

Mr Jack said:
Is this actually about attacking Russia, or about re-claiming the territories in Abkhazia and South Ossetia? Can't imagine there's a better time for the latter (although it's still very risky) but the former seems like madness.
Click to expand...

Yeah most likely about sending in forces to reclaim their occupied territories, which might have some Russian or Russian back forces securing them. I severely doubt it's about going into mainland Russia itself. Not sure why some people in thread jumped to that conclusion.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Would the explosives still work after all that time? I thought these things had expiry/best before dates (or whatever the military equivalent is)?
Click to expand...
Yes, they are still likely to explode, possibly even more likely to explode and too soon. They do have use by dates, but these things tend to go out of the window in war.

It's different for more complex systems, like AA and AT missiles, they may very well fail once their shelf life has passed, components like gas cylinders and batteries do lose their charge overtime which disables the whole missile.
 
I_M_Weasel said:
Yes, they are still likely to explode, possibly even more likely to explode and too soon. They do have use by dates, but these things tend to go out of the window in war.

It's different for more complex systems, like AA and AT missiles, they may very well fail once their shelf life has passed, components like gas cylinders and batteries do lose their charge overtime which disables the whole missile.
Click to expand...
AHH that would make sense given the wreck of the SS Richard Montgomery is considered highly dangerous.
 
englishpremier said:
Yeah most likely about sending in forces to reclaim their occupied territories, which might have some Russian or Russian back forces securing them. I severely doubt it's about going into mainland Russia itself. Not sure why some people in thread jumped to that conclusion.
Click to expand...

Looking at the history of these regions, I'm not sure I'd called these "occupied" territories (actually I edited that phrase out of my post after looking it up). Unlike the DBR and LHR, these are regions with genuine independence movements and complicated and ugly histories (on both sides). But I think going into all that is probably off-topic :)

More relevant is that they likely need Russian to continue their independence. Russia have trashed their global reputation with the attack on Ukraine and must have seriously weakened their ability to respond militarily elsewhere. Georgia underestimated Russia when they tried to assert their control over South Ossetia in 2008, and I wonder whether they'd be doing the same here. Georgia is unlikely to receive the kind of backing that Ukraine has, and it's a much smaller country.
 
Freddie1980 said:
Would the explosives still work after all that time? I thought these things had expiry/best before dates (or whatever the military equivalent is)?
Click to expand...
They would but there is likely to be many more duds. People still buy WW2 era ammo and earlier for some historic firearms on the surplus market.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top Bottom