Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Devilman]

lol....no its not, UK is playing a massive part in intel.

While there are various NATO assets flying about sniffing signals, unless the Russian's are so totally inept and they send everything in the clear, it's highly unlikely these are the methods being used to provide intel on targets, troop movements and the like.

At some point you got to put eyes on them and that is highly likely to be coming primarily from drone aerial reconnaissance and satellite imagery. Neither of which we are able to provide.

Again, just like with the weaponry and munitions, I am not saying that we are doing nothing or that our contributions are not helping... But I think it's rather overblown to suggest we're playing a "massive part" when you consider just what the US is providing.

 

[sniperone]

Why I don’t agree with what is going in Ukraine sending billions of pounds in aid when the country is broke is a complete joke . This is not our war and we need to keep our noses out.

 

[cu3ed]

While there are various NATO assets flying about sniffing signals, unless the Russian's are so totally inept and they send everything in the clear, it's highly unlikely these are the methods being used to provide intel on targets, troop movements and the like.

At some point you got to put eyes on them and that is highly likely to be coming primarily from drone aerial reconnaissance and satellite imagery. Neither of which we are able to provide.

Again, just like with the weaponry and munitions, I am not saying that we are doing nothing or that our contributions are not helping... But I think it's rather overblown to suggest we're playing a "massive part" when you consider just what the US is providing.

We are playing a massive part in intel, less you wanna speak to the same MI6 access and the people who are literally ticking off when they are sending. Heck, ive even been talking to poeple who are making the bloody weapons we are sending them built in NI lol.
Ukraine's build up and ongoing fighting in Crimera was LONG on UKs radars before most.

 

[Mrwong]

We will see another weapon race. Especially after today, expect a decoupling West v East. Massive reduction in west investment in China.

 

[HungryHippos]

Why I don’t agree with what is going in Ukraine sending billions of pounds in aid when the country is broke is a complete joke . This is not our war and we need to keep our noses out.

Hard disagree, small price to pay to keep the Russians away.

 

[cu3ed]

We will see another weapon race. Especially after today, expect a decoupling West v East. Massive reduction in west investment in China.

With sanctions, I don't think Russia will have access to resources to be in any kind of race lol.
Clearly even when things where good they spent their money for the own pockets.

 

[Devilman]

Why I don’t agree with what is going in Ukraine sending billions of pounds in aid when the country is broke is a complete joke . This is not our war and we need to keep our noses out.

A line had to be drawn. If we (The West) didn't support Ukraine, do you really believe Putin would have stopped there?

If not Ukraine, where would you draw the line? Poland? Germany? France?

This goes far beyond the "now" and is more about attempting to maintain a stable, secure future across Europe (and possibly the Globe)

 

[200sols]

I think the Ukraine Support Tracker gives a more rounded picture:

Why are France, Italy and even Germany doing so little to help? IMO the EU picture flatters them when its really the smaller economies bearing the brunt.

 

[sniperone]

Hard disagree, small price to pay to keep the Russians away.

And risk all out war .Vlad told us at the very beginning not to interfere and now he’s backed into A corner and things are going to get very very bad . People are struggling to live in this country and we are funding a war that has nothing to do with us and no matter what we do nothing is going to change . Russia will either take Ukraine or completely destroy it ,that’s the long term outlook .

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Why I don’t agree with what is going in Ukraine sending billions of pounds in aid when the country is broke is a complete joke . This is not our war and we need to keep our noses out.

Do you think Putin would be happy with just making Ukraine Russian again? Personally, I think he’d try for Poland next and then you have WW3 in Central Europe with a hot war between NATO and the FRS.

By thwarting Putin ambitions in East Ukraine and sending his forces packing, we avoid WW3. That’s money well spent, regardless of the cost.

 

[Devilman]

Why are France, Italy and even Germany doing so little to help? IMO the EU picture flatters them when its really the smaller economies bearing the brunt.

Doesn't Germany have some strange regs / laws about supplying military equipment to other countries? I think I recall reading something about that way back in the thread?

Not sure about France though.. Perhaps Macron was worried about upsetting the locals during election period with the impending cost of living / energy cost crisis?

 

[cu3ed]

Why are France, Italy and even Germany doing so little to help? IMO the EU picture flatters them when its really the smaller economies bearing the brunt.

The ghosts of WW2 are with them lol

 

[sniperone]

A line had to be drawn. If we (The West) didn't support Ukraine, do you really believe Putin would have stopped there?

If not Ukraine, where would you draw the line? Poland? Germany? France?

This goes far beyond the "now" and is more about attempting to maintain a stable, secure future across Europe (and possibly the Globe)

Nothing the west does is going to stop Russia and Now he has declared all out war on Ukraine it’s going to get very bad .

 

[Twinz]

How does this end then? Putin's ego won't let him back down, surely he eventually starts using tactical nukes to get his own way, then it's all downhill from there? Nobody is going to shoot him.

If we back dow because Putin make nuclear threats, it will *never* end.
One we demonstrate that such a threat works, he will use it again and again.

 

[NickK]

With sanctions, I don't think Russia will have access to resources to be in any kind of race lol.
Clearly even when things where good they spent their money for the own pockets.

Well it depends on how much China/India want to give away to Russia - on one hand it helps their ally, on the other it weakens them as they still have trust issues with Putin's behaviour towards boarders.

For the right trade they will trade electrical components etc regardless of US or EU restrictions. To manufacture products, china still imports a large amount of technology from outside of BRICS or their China-first economic union (which Russia will seek to dominate - there can only be one leader).

 

[sniperone]

Do you think Putin would be happy with just making Ukraine Russian again? Personally, I think he’d try for Poland next and then you have WW3 in Central Europe with a hot war between NATO and the FRS.

By thwarting Putin ambitions in East Ukraine and sending his forces packing, we avoid WW3. That’s money well spent, regardless of the cost.

Polands military could fight of Russia on its own they would not need funding from the outside

 

[ltron]

Why are France, Italy and even Germany doing so little to help? IMO the EU picture flatters them when its really the smaller economies bearing the brunt.

Energy dependence that's why and they still think Putin can be reasoned with (in reality all he does is escalate, he is a warmonger and remember he could end the war at any time and retreat to pre-February lines but he chooses to persist).

 

[SPG]

Why I don’t agree with what is going in Ukraine sending billions of pounds in aid when the country is broke is a complete joke . This is not our war and we need to keep our noses out.

Ok and the consequences of that are.....

Russian control of EU GAS and world market
Russian control of worldwide Grain market.

Russia is not or will ever be our friend until the numpty`s who still think the IRON curtain are all dead and buried.

We are doing the right thing (for a change) so deal with it or pack off and go live in Moscow.

 

[Devilman]

Nothing the west does is going to stop Russia and Now he has declared all out war on Ukraine it’s going to get very bad .

If the west really wanted to, they could stop Russia in a week, maybe less.

"Declared all out war" really doesn't mean much when they were already at war, just hiding under the guise of a "Special Military Operation"

If we take what we have already seen of their efforts that has cost them a potential 50,000 Troops already and multiply that by 6 for the 300k he's now talking about, I still don't see them having any chance of success provided the West keep up it's supply of equipment, munitions, intelligence and training.

 

[cu3ed]

Well it depends on how much China/India want to give away to Russia - on one hand it helps their ally, on the other it weakens them as they still have trust issues with Putin's behaviour towards boarders.

True, but China is looking at a chance to take what they want, India is seeing cheap fuel.