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NVIDIA 4000 Series

A few years ago upscaling was looked down upon for consoles trying to mimic PCs for frame rate and resolution, whereas now it seems to be the current leader in such technology. I am absolutely in favour of upscaling, from a power and accessibility (as in decent gameplay for a wide range) to standpoint.

A few issues with this:

1 - Trumpeting this as a factor definitely hides the fact that we are very much at diminishing returns with standard techniques. Currently, and for a while yet I think, raterisation generates the base image and RT adds the pop. RT is currently an optional extra, so basing your marketing on (currently) an optional extra?

2. Games. They generally just aren't as compelling these days (or am I just older?) NVidia have rehashed Portal and Morrowind (not seen anything from Morrowwind myself) which are fine games, but not new. I looked forward to Cyberpunk as a game, not a tech demo for marketing.

3. Price. Crikey. Charging so much more to run RT more effectively? It's not like DLSS 2 is struggling yet, and there isn't masses in the pipeline to justify it. I spent 650 on a gpu nearly two years ago, and that was an absolute splurge. Don't regret it now.

4. Price again. The whole accessibility option I enjoy from upscaling is lost when the card costs a grand. Rules out the people it could justifiably help. For the gamers my ****.

There will be other features I'm unaware of and won't apply to me, but not overly impressed from a value standpoint. I'd still be considering a cheaper 3000 card. EDIT - Based on today. I'll be interested to see what AMD do for their next gen card, but I'm not holding my breath. Similar performance, but slightly weaker in a particular area for 50 quid less per tier I imagine, but I hope I'm wrong.
 
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Bill Turnip said:
A few years ago upscaling was looked down upon for consoles trying to mimic PCs for frame rate and resolution, whereas now it seems to be the current leader in such technology. I am absolutely in favour of upscaling, from a power and accessibility (as in decent gameplay for a wide range) to standpoint.

A few issues with this:

1 - Trumpeting this as a factor definitely hides the fact that we are very much at diminishing returns with standard techniques. Currently, and for a while yet I think, raterisation generates the base image and RT adds the pop. RT is currently an optional extra, so basing your marketing on (currently) an optional extra?

2. Games. They generally just aren't as compelling these days (or am I just older?) NVidia have rehashed Portal and Morrowind (not seen anything from Morrowwind myself) which are fine games, but not new. I looked forward to Cyberpunk as a game, not a tech demo for marketing.

3. Price. Crikey. Charging so much more to run RT more effectively? It's not like DLSS 2 is struggling yet, and there isn't masses in the pipeline to justify it. I spent 650 on a gpu nearly two years ago, and that was an absolute splurge. Don't regret it now.

4. Price again. The whole accessibility option I enjoy from upscaling is lost when the card costs a grand. Rules out the people it could justifiably help. For the gamers my ****.

There will be other features I'm unaware of and won't apply to me, but not overly impressed from a value standpoint. I'd still be considering a cheaper 3000 card. EDIT - Based on today. I'll be interested to see what AMD do for their next gen card, but I'm not holding my breath. Similar performance, but slightly weaker in a particular area for 50 quid less per tier I imagine, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Games definitely were more fun and enjoyable before the Battle Royale trash infected everything to sell skins. Remember when Battlefield 2/3 was good times? Dedicated servers, no matchmaking, admins kicking suspected cheaters. The good admins. You jumped into the servers you wanted that was populated and stayed there until you were finished. None of this console matchmaking cloud server garbage with massive desync.
 
Bill Turnip said:
A few years ago upscaling was looked down upon for consoles trying to mimic PCs for frame rate and resolution, whereas now it seems to be the current leader in such technology. I am absolutely in favour of upscaling, from a power and accessibility (as in decent gameplay for a wide range) to standpoint.

A few issues with this:

1 - Trumpeting this as a factor definitely hides the fact that we are very much at diminishing returns with standard techniques. Currently, and for a while yet I think, raterisation generates the base image and RT adds the pop. RT is currently an optional extra, so basing your marketing on (currently) an optional extra?

2. Games. They generally just aren't as compelling these days (or am I just older?) NVidia have rehashed Portal and Morrowind (not seen anything from Morrowwind myself) which are fine games, but not new. I looked forward to Cyberpunk as a game, not a tech demo for marketing.

3. Price. Crikey. Charging so much more to run RT more effectively? It's not like DLSS 2 is struggling yet, and there isn't masses in the pipeline to justify it. I spent 650 on a gpu nearly two years ago, and that was an absolute splurge. Don't regret it now.

4. Price again. The whole accessibility option I enjoy from upscaling is lost when the card costs a grand. Rules out the people it could justifiably help. For the gamers my ****.

There will be other features I'm unaware of and won't apply to me, but not overly impressed from a value standpoint. I'd still be considering a cheaper 3000 card. EDIT - Based on today. I'll be interested to see what AMD do for their next gen card, but I'm not holding my breath. Similar performance, but slightly weaker in a particular area for 50 quid less per tier I imagine, but I hope I'm wrong.
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Main concern I have is ray tracing going forward in nvidia sponsored games now, given the several new RT effects portal has and with increased bounces (even more than quake and minecraft RTX, which are already stupidly demanding), it's going to make ampere sweat big time :( But then again, I suppose outside of cp 2077, dying light 2, chernobylite, we haven't had that many titles with loads of current gen RT effects so we'll maybe only get a couple of titles pushing the new RT effects and the majority will remain with just the basic couple of RT effects, which we all are accustomed to now... Just hope if they are super demanding for anything but the 40xx cards, that there will at least be options to turn on/off or reduce specific effects.
 
V F said:
Games definitely were more fun and enjoyable before the Battle Royale trash infected everything to sell skins. Remember when Battlefield 2/3 was good times? Dedicated servers, no matchmaking, admins kicking suspected cheaters. The good admins. You jumped into the servers you wanted that was populated and stayed there until you were finished. None of this console matchmaking cloud server garbage with massive desync.
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Yeh, I remember enjoying clans with dedicated servers playing various COD games.

Good times, the only MP I do now (and rarely) is Forza 5.
 
Jay-G25 said:
The FE uses a unique pcb shape wth the < cut in the side so the only block that will work is the FE block from EK , i will assume like the 30 series you will also get a reference design that can be used with one block which EK will list what cards are compatible and all the rest that are custom pcb get their own blocks and they normally do it in order of how popular they are ... the Strix block was one of the 1st custom blocks they done last gen but this time they have the FE block ready to go and can be preordered now for November delivery , hopefully have a card by then :cry:
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This is simply not true. FE is now a reference PCB - no longer < shaped, checked with Alphacool, they are not aware of the FE design being any different to reference this time.
Even EK design shows it's not < shaped, otherwise they would make a block similar to previous edition FE, not a traditional format.
 
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Matty8787 said:
So the 4080 12gb is essentially a 4070 but they knew they couldn't possibly try and sell a 4070 for $900 without being **** on? So by pretending it's a 4080 they think it's a-ok.
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a full fat 4080 will be £1269 lol. And that is the FE

£949 for the crippled version
 
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dave28 said:
a full fat 4080 will be £1269 lol. And that is the FE with a pathetic 12 month warranty

£949 for the crippled version
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Says 3 year warranty on Nvidias website

NVIDIA's Manufacturer's Warranty | NVIDIA UK

Warranty covers any manufacturing defects or hardware component failures in your NVIDIA® branded Graphics Card that is still within warranty along with any accessories you received.
www.nvidia.com
 
I was looking at the specs of the founders cards and the cheapest 4090 AIBs on the overclockers website and the specs look identical with the boost clocks. I don’t think the cooling looks any better either so you are paying the same price for some RGB. Kinda underwhelmed by the low end AIBs.
 
srekal34 said:
This is simply not true. FE is now a reference PCB - no longer < shaped, checked with Alphacool, they are not aware of the FE design being any different to reference this time.
Even EK design shows it's not < shaped, otherwise they would make a block similar to previous edition FE, not a traditional format.
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It is true , take a good look at the pictures on this link EK WB Pics is that a < shape indent i see to house a pcb ;) also the fact it is still using the 30 series FE shape cooler would tell you the pcb is the same shape as it was before.
 
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Iron Man said:
Says 3 year warranty on Nvidias website

NVIDIA's Manufacturer's Warranty | NVIDIA UK

Warranty covers any manufacturing defects or hardware component failures in your NVIDIA® branded Graphics Card that is still within warranty along with any accessories you received.
www.nvidia.com
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It's also a great warranty service, my friend used them for a 3090, they paid for shipping both ways and they shipped the replacement on the same day they received the faulty unit. Replacement was brand new and sealed.
 
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