Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Iraklis F.C. said:
If they nuke Ukraine then the respond must be devastating, overwhelming and massive. The ICBM's should blot out the sun coming from all directions.
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Why do people keep saying **** like this? Are you mentally ill or something? We will not be lobbing ICBMs around if Russia uses a few tactical nukes in Ukraine.
 
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Malevolence said:
Why do people keep saying **** like this? Are you mentally ill or something? We will not be lobbing ICBMs around if Russia uses a few tactical nukes in Ukraine.
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because tactical nukes are only the prelude? dont you get it, he is testing the limits step by step. Also its the russians who started this not us , they are mentally ill not us or me. a red line must be drawn or else he wont stop.
 
Nuking Russia in response to them using tactical nukes in Ukraine would be counter-productive imo, would just up the ante even further, as well as making the West look bad. Destroying any military assets they have abroad and sinking their navy seems like a more likely option. Severe but measured, and reduces their influence and capacity to cause trouble in the medium term.
 
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robgmun said:
I'd gather its not brainwashing, but they don't want to admit to the camera what they're really thinking afraid they'll get a knock on the door from the secret police. If this was done anonymously i bet at least half of them would sing a very different tune
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Yep, China, HK and now Russia spring to mind as counties which can and will lock you up for 'stiring trouble', aka the catch all laws.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
because tactical nukes are only the prelude? dont you get it, he is testing the limits step by step. Also its the russians who started this not us , they are mentally ill not us or me. a red line must be drawn or else he wont stop.
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He has a good idea where the limits are already. He knows we would not destroy Russia is he uses a few tactical nukes, but he knows full well what happen if he nukes any NATO territory. He might be mad but he ain’t stupid.
 
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Grim5 said:
I expect that the US response to Russia using nukes in Ukraine would be wiping out Russian forces outside of Ukraine and Russia territory - Ben Hodges thinks so too, though I thought the US would use Syria, by flying in a couple squadrons of F35s and blowing Russia to pieces in Syria but Ben Hodges thinks bigger, he thinks the Americans will respond by sinking the Black Sea fleet
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That would be a hell of a fireworks show!
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
If they nuke Ukraine then the respond must be devastating, overwhelming and massive. The ICBM's should blot out the sun coming from all directions.
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Morally and legally the USA and Britain should take military action to protect Ukraine from nuclear blackmail/attack because we were both signatories to the 1994 Budapest Memorandum, which is why Ukraine gave up their nuclear weapons in the first place. We gave them an explicit guarantee that they would not be threatened/attacked with nuclear weapons by anyone.

The problem is that if we attack Russia due to our Budapest Memorandum commitment then we won't be able to invoke Article 5 of the NATO treaty. Britain cannot take on Russia alone and there's no way any US president would do it just to protect a poor far away non-NATO country like Ukraine. The Budapest Memorandum was a bloody disgrace, it disarmed Ukraine and gave them some empty promises in exchange. That lying ratbag Sergey Lavrov signed it himself. The Russians later wiped their arses with it and invaded.

Instead, we should have serviced an adequate subset of Ukraine's nukes and their associated missile delivery systems and made sure they all stayed in Ukraine and were there only to defend Ukrainian territory, that would have put a rocket up Putin's arse.
 
There can be no nuclear response to Russian nuclear provocation, nor can there be incursion into Russian land. However, the allied nations should be clear they will full on enter the war in Ukraine if that happens with the aim of restoring Ukrainian borders to those agreed in the Budapest Memorandum and then protecting those borders by whatever means necessary.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
If they nuke Ukraine then the respond must be devastating, overwhelming and massive. The ICBM's should blot out the sun coming from all directions.
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I imagine each response will be very carefully calibrated to unmistakeably match the preceding event. This should intend to match the demonstration of force and willingness to use such force, but never escalate. This maintains the position of being able to blame while offering a route out for the other without losing face.

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Question - do we have a reliable source that Russia even has serviceable nukes?

Until I see that I suspect it'll be right there alongside their space program and the almighty Moskovich, which was meant to be the pinnacle of their navy yet couldn't even defend itself from a relatively small attack due to the spectacularly poor state of disrepair it was in.

If their nuclear program is up to the task of actually threatening the west I'll eat my hat.
 
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Diddums said:
Question - do we have a reliable source that Russia even has serviceable nukes?

Until I see that I suspect it'll be right there alongside their space program and the almighty Moskovich, which was meant to be the pinnacle of their navy yet couldn't even defend itself from a relatively small attack due to the spectacularly poor state of disrepair it was in.

If their nuclear program is up to the task of actually threatening the west I'll eat my hat.
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It's a valid question...
I guess no one really knows apart from top security people on all sides.
Based on the performance of the Russian army so far it's very much up for debate.
 
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