Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
I'm sure they are being maintained to the highest standard

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(Topol M launch vehicle)

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:cry: You think thats bad? Touch of paint and that'll be fine! If only you could get up close and personal with our own vehicle fleet, and thats the ones that can even make it out of the door! They dont get the same attention they used to! As long as they can roll out the door nobody seems to care any more.
I guess it dosnt have to look pretty to be effective!
 
ChrisLX200 said:
Russia is in no position to develop or mass produce high tech weapons, they simply don't have access to the necessary components. It's not in China's interests to support a stronger Russia so they're unlikely to offer help in that respect. Putin is very likely IMHO to use his existing stocks of nuclear warheads unless someone can remove him very soon. Look at this way - Putin is often compared to Hitler in the way he is pursuing this war and if Hitler had access to such weapons do you think he would have used them at the end of WW2? Damn right he would.
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See you still think China will not work with the Russians. China have managed technological advancements better then the Russians.

China did not have anything to lose and everything to gain by opening up their country to the west. Russians have pride the Chinese don’t to get their way.

Russia were were more advanced than the Chinese and now the Chinese are more advanced. Don’t fall for the trick that they still depend on the west or they will not work with Russia Iraq North Korea and a few others.

They are out to destroy the west. Mostly likely turn on each other later, to be the dominant nation on this planet.
 
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Mr Badger said:
What we need is an artificial neural network-based conscious group mind and artificial general superintelligence system, that can become self aware and take control of our nuclear weapons to keep us safe.
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A.I is not to be trusted, to give full autonomy, it may work against us.
I don’t think we should entrust A.I with something that can wipe us out.
 
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steve45 said:
behind the chat and banter there is a genuine concern that we are teetering on the precipice of the next great war.



The Great War never ended, just paused. The Russians have shown they still hate the west, As I said many times they have been planning this all along.I think the west have just realised this, as there have been hints over the past 4 years that 5 countries have been working together in some way.

The west now need to focus on the hearts and minds of those developing countries.

The Russians still think they own territory up to east Germany.

You can’t allow Russia to take Ukrain for many reasons.

Anyway we will end up having an arms race again, this is our next technological evolution I believe that automation will be greatly advance now and some new technology will be born over the next 10 years.two areas Robotics and space expansion might be the two areas.

Oh and I do not trust most Chinese students, through personal experience.
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That's not true Gorbechov (how ever you spell it) started reforms and the ex KGB goons that he failed to to rout out ended up at the key holders again. With the aid of the old fart generals of the time.

That and he realised Chernobyl broke them and they needed the west to fix it.
 
Mrwong said:
China have managed technological advancements better than the Russians.
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Nah, that’s what China say they have achieved. Completely unproven in combat against a western level adversary. Funnily, Russia claimed to have an advanced, well stocked military before the “special operation”. When will they use the Su-57s in combat against Ukraine?
 
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I am actually surprised Putin hasn't ordered the air force to leeroy into this situation yet to try and turn things around - though there is always a factor that he is paranoid as to the intentions of the West and won't want to leave the air force depleted.
 
steve45 said:
I've said it before, I'll say it again. It would be incredibly naive and extremely dangerous to think that Russia do not have a viable stock of nuclear weapons.
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Did you also say it before, that they had an effective Air Force? and an effective anti missile defence system? Russia have lied about everything including their military hardware. Their satellite system could not even see the Ukraine build up at Kharkiv if it, (sat system) exists? Very few of their cruise missiles were targeted, just fire and forget and hope it lands close to the target. Their Navy is hiding, so is their Air Force---Why?
It looks like Russian technology is pants! and they know it, so if they start a nuclear strike, they wont survive and the Generals know it. As they have been creaming off the maintenance money and the money for spare parts from the whole military system, all behind Putlers back.
 
Kot said:
Did you also say it before, that they had an effective Air Force? and an effective anti missile defence system? Russia have lied about everything including their military hardware. Their satellite system could not even see the Ukraine build up at Kharkiv if it, (sat system) exists? Very few of their cruise missiles were targeted, just fire and forget and hope it lands close to the target. Their Navy is hiding, so is their Air Force---Why?
It looks like Russian technology is pants! and they know it, so if they start a nuclear strike, they wont survive and the Generals know it. As they have been creaming off the maintenance money and the money for spare parts from the whole military system, all behind Putlers back.
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IIRC they only have 2 dedicated military satellites suited to that purpose and they are half the resolution of commercial imagery (so they'd probably have more luck with Maxar, etc.) and they can't cover everywhere at once - likely they were concentrating on Kherson with the apparent threat there.

EDIT: Russia's S-300 and newer variants of that system are the real deal (when maintained, etc.) - Ukraine amongst others have put them to use - but they don't seem to have been designed with this kind of situation in mind and lack the finesse - hence even Ukraine has had some friendly fire incidents with them. It is telling that Russian (or traversing Russian air space) air traffic stays outside the range of those systems and even their military flights will take the very long way around :s

I think something which has massively hindered Russia is that a lot of their hardware comes from a time when the main focus in design was how it would perform in total war with the West - the S-400 is great if you want to knock all the things out the sky - not so great if you are dealing with mixed air traffic. Many of their tanks were designed where they'd either be pushing forward with massed armour or fighting defensively using the terrain of the USSR to their advantage - the kind of combat in Ukraine isn't playing to their strengths. The BMPTs were partly an attempt to readdress that but last I saw they sent somewhere between 9 and 12 into Ukraine, they got their arses kicked in the first engagement where they were used as intended, with 3 sustaining moderate damage, and have now withdrawn them to rear guard.
 
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Kot said:
It looks like Russian technology is pants! and they know it............
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.............and yet the same equipment when it is used and maintained by the Ukrainians works very well, as the Russians continually find out to their cost.

It's less about the equipment itself which generally tends to be "adequate" at best, and more about the lack of training, lack of maintenance and a different doctrine around its use for example, which makes Russia's use of a particular weapon less effective than another nations use of that same weapon.
 
Rroff said:
Russia's S-300 and newer variants of that system are the real deal (when maintained, etc.) - Ukraine amongst others have put them to use - but they don't seem to have been designed with this kind of situation in mind and lack the finesse - hence even Ukraine has had some friendly fire incidents with them. It is telling that Russian (or traversing Russian air space) air traffic stays outside the range of those systems and even their military flights will take the very long way around :s
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Israel doesn't seem to have been bothered too much by Syrian S300s. They do on paper seem dangerous, maybe there is a technical or tactical way that Israel has come to handle the threat. They may be very dangerous to an unprotected target or something that just blunders into its ideal attack envelope. Possibly becoming less effective in the face of HARM strikes - and they just don't dare switch them on.
 
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ianh said:
.............and yet the same equipment when it is used and maintained by the Ukrainians works very well, as the Russians continually find out to their cost.

It's less about the equipment itself which generally tends to be "adequate" at best, and more about the lack of training, lack of maintenance and a different doctrine around its use for example, which makes Russia's use of a particular weapon less effective than another nations use of that same weapon.
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Nothing to do with all those nato planes spying constantly and American satellites.

Putins mistake was not saying a proxy war is a red line
 
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