2022 mini-budget discussion

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Kwasi is done. He'll be thrown under the bus when Tories rebel against Truss and that may come sooner than later.
 
There's a simple solution to this.

Get rid of Truss and let the Tory party run another leadership election for 12 weeks whilst she has a nice holiday.

At least that way it will slow the rate of damage they are inflicting on us.

Great. Just what we need, another circus for the media to milk for stupid amounts of weeks that everyone gets sick to the back teeth.
 
After all 99% of the folk here are employed by those talented wealth creators. Dont bite the hands that feed you.
This is complete and utter *****.
Go on, produce any source that shows those in the 45% were employers of 99% of the country. Suggesting none of them are employees themselves.
If you truly believe your statement, it shows just how completely wrong you are in anything economy based.
 
I won't link to it directly as it's The Sun (archive link) but if they're running with the headline "KWARMAGEDDON! £1trillion of Brits’ pensions narrowly saved from collapse as Truss and Kwarteng accused of going AWOL during meltdown" you have to question how long they have left. Bets on shortest premiership ever?

Also if the BoE had to step in to save pensions it makes a mockery of the claims that a windfall tax would effect everyone's pensions.
 
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I won't link to it directly as it's The Sun (archive link) but if they're running with the headline "KWARMAGEDDON! £1trillion of Brits’ pensions narrowly saved from collapse as Truss and Kwarteng accused of going AWOL during meltdown" you have to question how long they have left. Bets on shortest premiership ever?

Also if the BoE had to step in to save pensions it makes a mockery of the claims that a windfall tax would effect everyone's pensions.

Proposed windfall tax to generate 6 billion.

Pensions saved 60 billion.

Can we rename thread again to Kwasi's massive shift in economic policy.
 
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As expected the very poorest in society will be getting shafted again...
Mr Philp suggested benefits may not be hiked in line with spiralling inflation. He said a commitment by former chancellor Rishi Sunak to uprate benefits in line with inflation was under consideration amid reports different government departments have been asked to draw up plans for efficiency savings.

Mr Philp told ITV's Peston: "We are going to look for efficiencies wherever we can find them."

But he said the Treasury would not commit to an expected uprating of benefits in line with inflation.

Pressed about the decision, he said: "I am not going to make policy commitments on live TV, it is going to be considered in the normal way, we will make a decision and it will be announced I am sure in the first instance to the House of Commons."
 
So back to austerity then. I expect there is lots of fat to cut with such bulging budgets over the past 12 years...

The environmental agency recently said going out in the field to measure, observe & document basically isn't a thing anymore, it's not done on enough scale to build a usable picture so they essentially hope Joe Public submits data, which they do but not nearly enough. Unsurprisingly our waterways are in a terrible state.
 
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Great so massive cuts coming to public services to pay for tax cuts to the richest in society and to give bankers huge bonuses. Can't make it up

This directly means cuts in NHS and council services but dont worry, the wealthy can use the tax cuts they now get to pay for private replacement services like medical, dental, refuse etc so they won't be affected.

Almost as if it's intentional
 
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I thought this was very interesting:


In 'things I learned today' was the difference between Monetary Policy (banks) and Fiscal Policy (government) and how it was played today.
The paper was interesting. Hopefully Kwasi is currently on a dinner date with the BOE boss, so they can sort this all out.
 
If they are going on record with tax cuts for the rich but budget cuts for services their option polls are going to fall through the floor.
 
Great so massive cuts coming to public services to pay for tax cuts to the richest in society and to give bankers huge bonuses. Can't make it up

Most budgets at councils are already at or below the minimum deliverable services. Cant cut anymore or they`ll be sued.
 
Aren't the tories supposed to be the party of finance and big business? Here's this morning's lead article from Bloomberg....
Britain is in a self-inflicted financial crisis that threatens to accelerate the economy’s dive into recession — and the country’s new prime minister is coming under intense pressure to blink.

In the week since the government unveiled the biggest tax cuts since 1972 with scant detail of how they will be financed, the pound has crashed to its lowest-ever level against the dollar, the cost of insuring British government debt against the risk of default has soared to the highest since 2016, and the Bank of England has been forced to intervene amid concerns about the nation’s pension funds.

What happens next will determine just how deep the looming recession proves. Central to that question is whether Liz Truss’s three-week old administration can restore its credibility with investors.

Friday’s mini-budget has become a flashpoint for not just investors’ short-term concerns about unfunded tax cuts at a time when inflation is running close to a four-decade high, or the Bank of England’s failure to contain price growth. It has given sharp focus to their long-held fears about Britain, its current-account deficit, its fractious relationship with its closest trading partner and, above all, a mistrust of what successive politicians promise.

“It’s the latest in a long line of self-imposed economically illiterate decisions,” said Peter Kinsella, global head of FX strategy at Union Bancaire Privee UBP SA in London. “It started with Brexit, and now we’re seeing the latest iteration.”
 
If they are going on record with tax cuts for the rich but budget cuts for services their option polls are going to fall through the floor.
Budget cuts would happen anyway during a recession, but the tax cuts means there will likely be more which is worse situation.
 
The Great Depression Recession. Another Winter of Discontent, all looming.

WRT to my previous mortgage. It was 2002, and the mortgage amount was IIRC, £127k (6.75pc). Prior to this, in 2001, I earnt £12k and had a £67.5k mortgage at 6.9pc. In 2002, with the next mortgage, I earned £17500. Petrol was about 70p/litre. As a ratio of income to mortgage debt, that was 13pc. It's now 40pc. Perhaps that's just a compound of the good years and buying / selling at the right time. 2009 to 2012 felt worse IMO.
 
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