2022 mini-budget discussion

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CapitalOne said:
Is this where you chuck in your first hand experience of senior civil servants subverting the government again?

Your hubris is strong. Although you appear to be backpedaling to "they are all as bad as eachother".
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From the very beginning I said "all previous governments".

It is the individual interpretation, it just highlights the negativity some have of a party, and just strengthens my argument.
Pitchforks out, yet unable to comprehend the message.
 
Mrwong said:
From the very beginning I said "all previous governments".

It is the individual interpretation, it just highlights the negativity some have of a party, and just strengthens my argument.
Pitchforks out, yet unable to comprehend the message.
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Subjectively if you don't believe the idealogy then you aren't going to buy it.

Objectively you need the team who will do the least damage if you believe in managed decline to buy you some time to pivot, because you have to get it right.

The last two Tory administrations have been the worst administrations in living memory. Even if you forget policy and focus on message or implementation alone there are serious competency flaws. So, regardless of what you believe the destiny is, even we in this thread could do a better job. They do not deserve the honour of running the country because they just don't have the skills.
 
Mrwong said:
From the very beginning I said "all previous governments".

It is the individual interpretation, it just highlights the negativity some have of a party, and just strengthens my argument.
Pitchforks out, yet unable to comprehend the message.
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Gaslighting much?
Mrwong said:
Why didn't Labour change rtb, why didn't they reinvest the money. rtb funds to social housing. Labour had a long time to make adjustments to RTB but did not. Labour created lots of new laws, they even made London the surveillance capital of the world.

Gordon Brown destroyed pensions with his pension raids, this cause pension funds to find new avenues, making it more sensitive to lesser shocks. But somehow the media have forgotten about that.
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Mrwong said:
House prices were affordable until 2002.

Rtb was a good policy, right to buy gave those a chance to have a property. The idea was great, implementation was poor.
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Mrwong said:
Unfortunately Gordon brown messed up the pension industry. Under labour government we had the biggest increases in house prices that is a fact.
Affordability destroyed for the average worker.

People here talk about Russian money and Tories, yet they forget that Russian money was introduced by Labour.
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Mrwong said:
Lol the pound has been dropping under labour, but again highlight Tories not labour.

I can see you dislike Tories but you fail to see policies implemented by labour that have lead us to this point. You can't admit that labour have contributed to the mess.
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Mrwong said:
I have listed a few labour policies a few times, and listed one above.
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It does nothing to strengthen your argument because as people keep telling you, and you seem to simply be ignoring now, the current government has had the power to change things for the better for more than a decade and nearly all the issues you keep whining about have their foundation in a Conservative administration from a quarter of a century ago. Like you've been told many times now the last Labour government was not perfect but to blame them when they didn't start most of it and haven't had the power to put things right for a decade is the height of double standards.
 
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Murphy said:
No I'm saying they're largely to blame because a) in most cases they were the ones who initially introduced the legislation that made most of the things you're crying about possible, and b) they've had the power to change things if they wanted for more than a decade.

No, you've been mostly consistent in blaming a government from almost a quarter of a century ago as if for you history started 20-25 years ago despite making a big deal about how it's others who need to look at the 'foundations'.

Yes and nearly all of the things you've moaned about so far have been policies that were introduced by a Conservative government, point me to a policy that you consider detrimental to the county that Labour introduced and I'd be more than happy to discuss the how, who, causes and effects of such. And before you say it no Brown raiding pensions is not that because like i said Lamont set the precedence, and you've not said how Brown raiding pensions was detrimental to the country.

So, no one has said they were perfect however, as you've repeatedly been told now, you've utter failed to not only give an example of such a policy let alone said how you think such a policy has damaged the country.

What does that have to do with the price of eggs?
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Listen, clearly you don't have an understanding of the situation. Not many in this country can understand the historical trend of the policies.

I have give short examples, this is about pensions,LDI strategies.

The UK’s embrace of LDI has its roots in a major accounting change in 2000, which forced companies to recognise pension fund deficits on their own balance sheets.
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LDI saved schemes from untenably large deficits and it saved sponsors from constantly topping up schemes,
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So you've gone back to claiming that it's others not understanding things despite it being pointed out to you repeatedly that the things you keep crying about stem from much further back than the last Labour government.

Now you're either doing this on purpose and ipso facto you're trolling or you're not and you're simply slow on the uptake, which is it?

You can give as many examples as you like but as you've repeatedly been told if you can't explain the how, who, causes and effects of such examples they're less than meaningless, they're just a demonstration of someone who repeats what they've heard someone else say because they want to sound intelligent but doesn't actually understand what they're talking about, someone who's all mouth no trousers.

e: I have to ask, how old are you?
 
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I love it when barely literate people, who, even if their posts were literate, they'd be logically inconsistent, consider themselves enlightened and superior.
 
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