Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

Freddie1980 · 30 Sep 2022 at 07:36

Nate75 said:
Reading that Lyman I now surrounded

It's been coming for the last week, quite surprised Russia hasn't pulled out the city (unless the troops defending it are DPR forces rather then regular Russian forces).

Given Putin is reportedly going to announce at some point today that the Donetsk oblast is now a part of the Russian federation this will be the first real acid test of what he will do if Ukraine captures an area of land he considers to be a part of Russia.

Freddie1980 · 30 Sep 2022 at 07:42

Grim5 said:
Putin says he wants those wrongly drafted to be returned

Not necessarily in one piece

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Hook · 30 Sep 2022 at 07:45

Uther said:
Isn't Lukashenko in constant fear of being overthrown? I'm not sure sending 120,000 of his troops off to Ukraine to get slaughtered would be his brightest idea.

I belive he said he'll accommodate 120K Russian troops in Belarus.
Having 120K of the new disciplined reqruits in town must be great for the Belarus..

alchal · 30 Sep 2022 at 07:54

Hook said:
I belive he said he'll accommodate 120K Russian troops in Belarus.
Having 120K of the new disciplined reqruits in town must be great for the Belarus..

Indeed, will be fun watching them ransack the local areas, this will end badly for Belarus if they throw thier lot into the ring.

Turn · 30 Sep 2022 at 08:01

Lavrov: The US Has Something to Hide in Part of Their Military Biological Program - RIA
Lavrov: We Expect the US to Open the Details of Their Biolaboratories
Lavrov: The EU Finally Lost Its Autonomy and Is Suffering Huge Losses From What the U.S. Drove It Into
Lavrov: The Collective West Leaded By the U.S. Is Not Intended to Refuse the Course to World Domination

lmfaoo

potatolord · 30 Sep 2022 at 08:22

Angilion said:
Maybe if they weren''t expecting to be using it much any more (Germany and other European countries are going to stop buying gas from Russia in the near future) and they wanted to show that they could blow up the Norwegian pipelines without taking the step of actually doing so because that would be an overt act of war against NATO and Russia would absolutely definitely lose that war.

That's more than a bit of a stretch.

They wanted to show they could blow up gas pipelines, which they can't do as it carries risk and is an overt act of war? Doing so, they showed there is a need to increase security on the target pipelines, immediately? And they did that by blowing up their own pipelines, and no-one else's- and not just one of their own pipelines, either.

All of this going into the time where they could have used their own pipelines as both a powerful negotiating lever, and the prospect of future earnings? Both of which are now not possible, due to them blowing up their own pipelines?

Come on. Does that sound like credible?

Angilion · 30 Sep 2022 at 08:34

potatolord said:
That's more than a bit of a stretch.

They wanted to show they could blow up gas pipelines, which they can't do as it carries risk and is an overt act of war? Doing so, they showed there is a need to increase security on the target pipelines, immediately? And they did that by blowing up their own pipelines, and no-one else's- and not just one of their own pipelines, either.

All of this going into the time where they could have used their own pipelines as both a powerful negotiating lever, and the prospect of future earnings? Both of which are now not possible, due to them blowing up their own pipelines?

Come on. Does that sound like credible?

There's no indication that the current regime has any prospect of future earnings from those pipelines. The current regime has murdered people in other countries, annexed land from other countries, invaded another country with the stated intent of eradicating that country entirely, faked referendums and threatened to start a nuclear war. It's not a reasonable regime. The pipelines could be rebuilt if required, if there was any prospect of profiting from them in the future. So yes, I think it's credible that Putin might have ordered it done as a threat. Sensible? No. Reasonable? No. Rational? Barely if at all. But we're talking about Putin here, so I do think it's credible. Maybe. More credible than the USA blowing up the pipeline. Too much risk, not enough gain.

Turn · 30 Sep 2022 at 08:52

Putin accuses West of blowing up pipelines as Europe steps up vigilance

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday blamed the United States and its allies for blowing up the undersea Nord Stream pipelines, raising the temperature in a crisis that has left Europe racing to its energy infrastructure and supplies.

www.reuters.com

Angilion · 30 Sep 2022 at 08:57

*seven said:
Putin accuses West of blowing up pipelines as Europe steps up vigilance

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday blamed the United States and its allies for blowing up the undersea Nord Stream pipelines, raising the temperature in a crisis that has left Europe racing to its energy infrastructure and supplies.

www.reuters.com

https://twitter.com/sevenloI/status/1575750845999759360

The Daily Sport famously had photos of a WW2 bomber on the moon. Fabricating evidence is even easier now than it was then. Merely claiming that the evidence exists is even easier than fabricating it.

But this does add more credibility to the idea that Putin's regime had the pipeline blown up because it gives them another reason to do so - in order to blame "the west" for it.

Scougar · 30 Sep 2022 at 08:57

Brutal. BlueSauron has a video up of a Russian tank being hit twice, a blurry figure tries to escape via the top hatch as the final round comes in and sets the hole thing alight. Quite literally toasted.

Also reading as mentioned by @Nate75 that Lyman is apparently surrounded. Guess we'll see if true tomorrow and what happens. Hopefully mass surrender.

Grim5 · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:00

The running of the Lyman marathon has begun

https://twitter.com/x/status/1575747333907656704

Washout · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:02

potatolord said:
That's more than a bit of a stretch.

They wanted to show they could blow up gas pipelines, which they can't do as it carries risk and is an overt act of war? Doing so, they showed there is a need to increase security on the target pipelines, immediately? And they did that by blowing up their own pipelines, and no-one else's- and not just one of their own pipelines, either.

All of this going into the time where they could have used their own pipelines as both a powerful negotiating lever, and the prospect of future earnings? Both of which are now not possible, due to them blowing up their own pipelines?

Come on. Does that sound like credible?

Wasn’t it a pipeline they shut down, giving some excuse, but largely seen as punishment for western backing of Ukraine.
I don’t know the ins and out but I’d imagine the Russian gas suppliers would be wracking up penalties for not supplying said gas. Unless of course something were to happen to it…

*seven said:
Putin accuses West of blowing up pipelines as Europe steps up vigilance

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday blamed the United States and its allies for blowing up the undersea Nord Stream pipelines, raising the temperature in a crisis that has left Europe racing to its energy infrastructure and supplies.

www.reuters.com

Oh, I’m shocked I tells ya, shocked.

Edit: I just don’t see a Biden administration taking such a blatant provocative action that’s essentially an act of war. They downsides would massively outweigh whatever benefits you might imagine they’d get. New pipeline can be laid, their administration would be ousted in next elections and huge fractures in a pretty unified western response would form overnight.
Who has more to gain from all of that. Combined with the absolute ramshackle call up in Russia just shows how desperate Putin is now. They’ve lost the war.

Only worry is the nuke card, how would the west respond to small nukes being used in Ukraine. I hope very very harshly, as in immediate conventional strikes on wherever they came from and no fly zone with ultimatum to get out.
It’ll be brinkmanship but Russia can’t nuke western forces without dooming their country. It also gives Putin his exit, see, we were fighting the whole west all this time. Even though he wasn’t, some artillery, manpads and ammunition doesn’t even scratch the surface of what could be provided.

Colonel_Klinck · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:13

Washout said:
Why would they risk the absolutely huge political fallout (with elections not a million miles off) of blowing up pipelines not in use and relatively easily replaced (ish)? Doesn’t make a huge amount of sense to me. Would just drive a wedge and reduce public support for…. Oh, wait. I know who that would benefit!

They wouldn't but @tang0 loves conspiracy theories. He came out with some proper ones in the old Hilary vs Trump and 2020 US election thread. Hilary should be POTUS now if his theories had come to pass :rolleyes:

dpbadger · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:17

The Russian Gas suppliers would have been in breach of contract if they didn't supply the gas they had agreed to. As the pipe has now been irreversibly damaged in an 'act of god'. They can now as they see contractually get out of supplying the afore mentioned gas.

d_brennen · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:22

dpbadger said:
The Russian Gas suppliers would have been in breach of contract if they didn't supply the gas they had agreed to. As the pipe has now been irreversibly damaged in an 'act of god'. They can now as they see contractually get out of supplying the afore mentioned gas.

I think this is the most likely conspiracy. As if Russian business isn't basically just Mafia

Moving forward I hope Europe never buys gas from Russia again. It was going to happen anyway but this mess has accelerated it by decades

Lord-Jaffa · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:43

Washout said:
Wasn’t it a pipeline they shut down, giving some excuse, but largely seen as punishment for western backing of Ukraine.
I don’t know the ins and out but I’d imagine the Russian gas suppliers would be wracking up penalties for not supplying said gas. Unless of course something were to happen to it…

Oh, I’m shocked I tells ya, shocked.

Edit: I just don’t see a Biden administration taking such a blatant provocative action that’s essentially an act of war. They downsides would massively outweigh whatever benefits you might imagine they’d get. New pipeline can be laid, their administration would be ousted in next elections and huge fractures in a pretty unified western response would form overnight.
Who has more to gain from all of that. Combined with the absolute ramshackle call up in Russia just shows how desperate Putin is now. They’ve lost the war.

Only worry is the nuke card, how would the west respond to small nukes being used in Ukraine. I hope very very harshly, as in immediate conventional strikes on wherever they came from and no fly zone with ultimatum to get out.
It’ll be brinkmanship but Russia can’t nuke western forces without dooming their country. It also gives Putin his exit, see, we were fighting the whole west all this time. Even though he wasn’t, some artillery, manpads and ammunition doesn’t even scratch the surface of what could be provided.

They have annexed all the territory they wanted, held elections in said territory for joining Russia, crippled Europe's economy and probably destroyed Germany in the process.

But you claim they have lost the war?

What does winning look like then? Maybe we should remove them from Swift and sanction some more, that went really well the first time round.

Grim5 · 30 Sep 2022 at 09:49