Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Chris Wilson said:
I can't argue with anything Mr. Putin has said there I am afraid. It's all plainly true. He maybe mad in some eyes but he's not been brainwashed to accept all that claptrap.
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Here's a summary of Putin's speech, translated by a native Russian speaker.

Can you show me which part of the speech provides adequate justification for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and theft of her territory?

Does 'I hate the West, so I'll invade Ukraine' make any kind of sense to you?

Putin complains that the West 'seeks to deprive other countries of sovereignty.' Can you explain how invading another country and stealing her land demonstrates Putin's respect for the sovereignty of other countries?

Putin says he is anti-colonial. Can you explain how invading another country and stealing her land qualifies as an anti-colonial agenda?
 
Minstadave said:
I don't think even Putin has the power to compel much more of his population to their death. The more deaths of Russian troops the bigger the problem becomes back home. Eventually he'll be risking outright revolution if he continues on that path.
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Getting the ethnic minorities killed hasn't caused to much trouble so far.
 
Minstadave said:
I don't think even Putin has the power to compel much more of his population to their death. The more deaths of Russian troops the bigger the problem becomes back home. Eventually he'll be risking outright revolution if he continues on that path.
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It depends.
It depends on whether he can successfully convince the Russian people that Russia is under attack by an enemy hell-bent on Russia's destruction. If he can do that then people will rally to his banner.
The theatrics on Thursday with the annexation were the beginning of doing just that.
 
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this is the language the Ukrainians should use, still relevant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_between_the_Ottoman_sultan_and_the_Cossacks

replace sultan with Putin and youre sorted lol, thats the Zaporizhzhia cossacks!

"The cursed Sultan, Turkish Caesar's son, and attendant of the infernal Lucifer in the abyss of hell, Turkish emperor, footstool of the Greeks, cook of Macedonians, locksmith of Babylonians, wheelwright of Jerusalem, drunkard of Assyria, swineherd of greater and lesser Egypt, sausage of Alexandria, and dog of Armenians, the cursed childish knave upon earth and the world, the great fool of Kamenets-Podolsky and the country, and a nasty pig in the world, the Turkish biter of men, the commander of the whole hellish empire in the deep abyss of hell, an angel of the infernal devil, a mocker of the crucified God, enemy and persecutor of his servants, below all those who live above, the downfaller of the bishop men: We report to you that we have no thoughts of surrendering to you, but are bravely, manfully, and eternally resolved to fight you and whomever you call a fellow, together with a great monarch whom, according to your legends, as a fellow fells the wood in the forest, so he will fall down upon you, and your busurmans, and all your followers, and especially you, who can be compared not to a fellow, but rather to a cursed old woman, if one may even call you so, you sit in a hole like a devil, or a hen-thief, who changes his nest in the war to another, one which shows that you are a fool, instead of the one you call a boy, who is a brave, powerful monarch and invincible king.
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Sankari said:
Here's a summary of Putin's speech, translated by a native Russian speaker.

Can you show me which part of the speech provides adequate justification for Russia's invasion of Ukraine and theft of her territory?

Does 'I hate the West, so I'll invade Ukraine' make any kind of sense to you?

Putin complains that the West 'seeks to deprive other countries of sovereignty.' Can you explain how invading another country and stealing her land demonstrates Putin's respect for the sovereignty of other countries?

Putin says he is anti-colonial. Can you explain how invading another country and stealing her land qualifies as an anti-colonial agenda?
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I was agreeing with the very short extract quoted, I haven't read the whole translation and if i wanted to read it some random's translation on "Twitter" would not be the translation I would necessarily consider legitimate. I rarely post in here because I know some of my views on the war are likely to be unpopular, and any agreement with Mr. Putin's views whatsoever are unlikely to be welcomed.
 
ZeroG said:
Unfortunately it's a strategy he has played well for his own people. By saying these regions are part of Russia he can go on to say the West are actually attacking Russia now. It doesn't matter that pretty much the whole world sees this referendum is null and void.
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Putin can *say* anything to justify anything. I don't know why we bother with "Now that Putin has done X, he can claim Y"

Putin can always just claim whatever. It doesn't matter. He has invaded Ukraine for the second damn time and this time the world isn't having it.
 
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Chris Wilson said:
I was agreeing with the very short extract quoted, I haven't read the whole translation and if i wanted to read it some random's translation on "Twitter" would not be the translation I would necessarily consider legitimate.
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Konstantin Kisin is a bilingual Russian, you could not ask for a better translator.

Chris Wilson said:
I rarely post in here because I know some of my views on the war are likely to be unpopular, and any agreement with Mr. Putin's views whatsoever are unlikely to be welcomed.
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I don't care if your views on the war are unpopular or not (I hold plenty of unpopular opinions myself), I'm simply curious to know how you justify them.
 
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Minstadave said:
Yeah looks like Lyman fell today but with a Russian withdrawal rather than a bloodbath. Shortens the frontline for UA forces nicely and they've already got across the river.

Kremina next and onto Lysychansk and Sievierodonetsk?
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Kremina I would think, take that and you cut the supplies going into that area making it more likely Russia will fall back rather then having to fight a street to street battle like Russia went through in the summer to take those cities.
 
Sankari said:
Konstantin Kisin is a bilingual Russian, you could not ask for a better translator.



I don't care if your views on the war are unpopular or not (I hold plenty of unpopular opinions myself), I'm simply curious to know how you justify them.
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I haven't posted any real opinions on the war though, apart from saying some seem to relish the violence against fellow man, and that I feel having been immersed in computer war games for a long time, has made some young people perhaps somewhat divorced from the realities of war. I think I also said I would be interested to see if the armchair generals here would be as keen to participate on the real life battlefields as they are from the comfort of their homes via Twitter and their PC's.
 
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