Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Colonel_Klinck said:
Your post was about Ukrainian refugees, people fleeing a war zone where Russians have been murdering, raping and even kidnapping children as they go. So don't now try and make it about the greater issue with people trying to enter the UK, you can save your bigotry for the thread devoted to that subject.
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The problem is they are so xenophobic they forget and would treat the Ukrainians the same as those in the boats crossing the water.
Or maybe they could just loiter somewhere else for 6 months whilst our morons in government try to sort something out that will not be a total and utter embarrassment.

We have taken a tiny fraction but as ever our government fail. No surprise when people like Patel were in charge.
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
I was listening to an interview last week. The expert said that there is a provision in the (anti) nuclear proliferation treaty that guarantees any non nuclear nation defence from the other nuclear powers should a nuclear power attack them
Based on that I can't see how The UK, USA, France etc cannot defend Ukraine if Putrid uses a nuke. Failure to do this is going to mean every other non nuclear weapon holding nation is going to try to get them. I assume this is what the talk of the USA etc taking action in Russia if they do use a nuke is about.
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Yup, there's a huge nonproliferation argument here which I'm presuming the US has been very clear about behind the scenes, use of a nuclear weapon no only risks very risky escalation but also needs to be pointed out that a severe response is required because without one there are higher order effects.

South Korea and Taiwan have very strong incentives to develop nukes for a start and then again so do plenty of other countries if they can see a non-nuclear power just get nuked by Russia without much in the way of consequences.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
Petreus says things which are completely opposite to Bidens statements, if US and/or NATO directly attack russian assets then its an act of War. Biden has ruled out a confrontation between NATO and russia at all costs. Unless ofcourse i am not up to date informed.
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Russia nuking Ukraine is pretty much an act of war on Europe. There has to be consequences and his response seems about right.
 
Iraklis F.C. said:
Petreus says things which are completely opposite to Bidens statements, if US and/or NATO directly attack russian assets then its an act of War. Biden has ruled out a confrontation between NATO and russia at all costs. Unless ofcourse i am not up to date informed.
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Inaction is highly improbable in the circumstance that Russia uses a nuke as it would weaken America's foreign policy in a pretty fundamental manner.
 
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Iraklis F.C. said:
Petreus says things which are completely opposite to Bidens statements, if US and/or NATO directly attack russian assets then its an act of War. Biden has ruled out a confrontation between NATO and russia at all costs. Unless ofcourse i am not up to date informed.
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The context here is after Russia uses tactical nuke(s) in Ukraine - US/NATO likely would respond with (conventional) force and have likely been quite clear with Russia that they'd do so in order to prevent it from happening to begin with.
 
I’m morbidly fascinated by what on Earth the usa/ nato have threatened in response in order to scare them. Wtf does catastrophic consequences mean without causing the end of everything.
 
*Zelenskiy Says, Without Providing Detail, That Success of Ukraine’s Soldiers “Not Limited To Lyman”
*Zelenskiy Says Abduction of Director-General of Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant “yet Another Instance of a Clear Act of Russian Terror”
*Zelenskiy Says Ukraine Forces Liberated Arkhanhelske and Myrolyubivka Settlmenents in Kherson Region
 
Lima said:
I am very very aware of that. It’s the whole, how does the us/ nato catastrophic response not in itself cause ww3. Why are we so confident basically.
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No one is saying it won't, but if you kick Russia out of Ukraine then it's not Russia itself being attacked still.

Ignoring sham rigged elections of course.

All you can do is respond to escalations.
 
Again I get it. But the USA is not risking a nuclear bomb hitting a major city in USA. What have they got planned whereby they believe they they aren’t risking that with their/ our catastrophic consequences.
 
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Grim5 said:
My guess is that it would start with nato fighter jet and bomber squadrons taking off from Romania and Maldova (it's a short 350km flight to Crimea) and then bombing all the Russian bases, equipment and defences in Crimea. Once Crimea is neutralised then aircraft carriers and destroyers would enter the Black Sea and if any Russian ships are still in the area they'd be attacked and from these ships they'd launch sorties into Eastern and Southern Ukraine
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No need to enter Black Sea and be exposed to risk, launch from Med plenty of refuelling tankers available. Hit Sakhalin island oil and gas etc to spread the concern and overload their command centre. And hit that Kerch bridge cant see many tactical nukes being deployed if there is no back door escape route.
 
Reading that UKR forces have pushed the orcs some 35km back to Dudchany on the dnipro river.

Some quotes from RU/UKR forces on the ground via Telegram etc:

"In the Berislav direction, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to advance with large forces to the new lines of defense. The situation is difficult."
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"Defense breakthrough in Dudchany, Kherson region. UA broke through with the forces of 17 tanks and 11 infantry fighting vehicles."
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"On the Berislav direction, the enemy approached the Dutchans. To date, it has not been possible to stabilize the front in this direction. The situation is difficult."
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"By the evening of October 2, the situation in the Nikopol direction is worsening. The enemy is advancing south towards Berislav across the Zolotaya Balka. The situation may become critical in the near future."
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"A difficult situation is beginning to take shape in the Kherson direction. It is too early to talk about the loss of control of units and unorganized withdrawal. In the coming hours, if no action is taken, the situation could turn into a disaster"
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Couple of snippets from different accounts:
Rob Lee

@RALee85
Russian pages are sounding the alarm about Kherson. One says Russian forces have fallen back to Dudchany, another says the situation could soon become critical, another says Ru forces need to prepare for urban warfare and that Ukraine is hitting their lines where they are weak.
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Oliver Carroll

@olliecarroll


I’m told the collapse of Russian lines in Kherson is a story that is still in progress. Understand Ukraine has moved south by at least 20km since yesterday. “It could be even more interesting by the morning,” a recon soldier tells me.
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Lima said:
Again I get it. But the USA is not risking a nuclear bomb hitting a major city in USA. What have they got planned whereby they believe they they aren’t risking that with their/ our catastrophic consequences.
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It's entirely academic though, Russia isn't a predictable opponent, all they (US/NATO) can do is promise a response if they attempt it, and then hit the ball onto their side of the court to decide if it's worth the risk or not.

A lot of people thought that Russia wouldn't invade, yet here we are.

Not sure anyone can say further than that what response Russia would bring to that chain of events. They say so many lies it can be hard to get the truth of their words.
 
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