Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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There are options available to the Ukrainians in regard to Crimea. If Ukraine take the Kherson Oblast they could decide to make it extremely uncomfortable for anyone living there. Although I'm not sure how much of a PR disaster that could become if the very people they are trying to liberate start dying due to lack of water.
"Russians are in the process of losing in Kherson Oblast. And if the Ukrainians succeed in retaking their city of Kherson they will be able to control that sluice gate that controls the canal. And then all of a sudden all of Crimea overnight is high and dry. And any progress that the Crimean excuse me any progress that the Crimean farmers have made will simply dry up and blow away. And that could be the first stage for major reversal in this war."
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"Russians are in the process of losing in Kherson Oblast. And if the Ukrainians succeed in retaking their city of Kherson they will be able to control that sluice gate that controls the canal. And then all of a sudden all of Crimea overnight is high and dry. And any progress that the Crimean excuse me any progress that the Crimean farmers have made will simply dry up and blow away. And that could be the first stage for major reversal in this war."
Zeihan: Water control in Crimea sets stage for reversal in Ukraine war
The control of a water source in the Ukrainian city of Kherson, and possible drying up of Crimea, could be a key turning point in the war.
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There’s bunkers for the important people. Everyone else is SOL.
I would imagine any defence we do have in place, it could be easily saturated by a large enough strike, seems our largest defence is the threat of striking back, but that defence only works if the people wanting to strike us first are not insane
The main U.K. nuclear defence is having at least 2 Trident submarines hiding beneath the waves, each one capable of sprinkling 30+ 100KT warheads across any nation that looks it might be thinking of spilling our pint.
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There are options available to the Ukrainians in regard to Crimea. If Ukraine take the Kherson Oblast they could decide to make it extremely uncomfortable for anyone living there. Although I'm not sure how much of a PR disaster that could become if the very people they are trying to liberate start dying due to lack of water.
"Russians are in the process of losing in Kherson Oblast. And if the Ukrainians succeed in retaking their city of Kherson they will be able to control that sluice gate that controls the canal. And then all of a sudden all of Crimea overnight is high and dry. And any progress that the Crimean excuse me any progress that the Crimean farmers have made will simply dry up and blow away. And that could be the first stage for major reversal in this war."
Zeihan: Water control in Crimea sets stage for reversal in Ukraine war
The control of a water source in the Ukrainian city of Kherson, and possible drying up of Crimea, could be a key turning point in the war.
I don’t think they’ll do that. It’s shaky territory, war crime-esque and loses them the moral high ground. It also won’t help with the return of Crimea. Crimea is concentrated, so they can soften it up and hammer the military, especially as they get closer. Blow the bridge and it’s even game over for Russia, they’ll never enter Ukraine again.
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Peter Zeihan, the poster child of a midlife crisis and a man who loves the sound of her a own voice. He makes some valid points though.
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Russia has the ability to supply water to Crimea (since they were irritated with it post 2015) and although it might not be in Ukraine's interest for PR reasons it is definitely a strategic option to massively increase pressure on Russia's logistics when it concerns Crimea. Russia has frankly messed up massively here by targeting other dams whilst having months of incompetent command decisions that everyone has been exposed to such that Ukraine could reliably make it appear like Russia had done it. The sabotage of the Nordstream pipelines also doesn't help Russia here as the ambiguity about whodunit will continue to compound.
The stage is set, whether Ukraine follows through is up to them.
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Yes, but the reason we didn't pursue an offensive Biological Weapons capability after 1972 was because (unlike the USSR) the UK and USA honoured the commitments they gave when they signed the UN Biological Weapons Convention. After signing that all the work we did in that field was for defensive not offensive purposes. I had colleagues at Porton Down who worked on battlefield (PCR based) detection systems for Smallpox, Anthrax and Plague contamination in environmental samples. Another of my colleagues worked on a rapid Sarin gas detection system for his first postdoc funded by the MoD.
They also weaponised Plague and Smallpox virus and had those ready on ICBM's for use against large civilian populations in NATO. Later on they weaponised Francisella tularensis and they worked on weaponising Ebola and Marburg. Apparently, they even considered developing HIV as an assassination weapon against political dissidents but abandoned the idea because of the disease's slow progress. They also spent years trying to make a smallpox strain that was resistant to the available smallpox vaccines, but they failed at that. (The genetic engineering that was going on at the Vector labs back then was crude by today's standards.)
Kanatjan Alibekov ran it for the last 3 years of the USSR then after the collapse he defected to the USA and spilt the beans about what they had been doing. He is still worried that the Vector lab is working on making smallpox resistant to the vaccines, if it hasn't already succeeded.
There are 500-800k Russians who've moved there since 2014 IIRC, they can just move back. I think as far as PR is concerned Ukraine has plenty of slack to try something like that, in fact, if it means Russian trucks are tied up trying to supply water then even better... hit the railway bridge and put an even bigger strain on trucks for supplies.
I honestly didn't know who he is. I just googled Crimea water supply and clicked on one of the results. I was already aware that Kherson maintained the supply to Crimea and was merely seeking confirmation. Is he a bit of a plank then?
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They did close the canal to Crimea after it was annexed. You could argue it's part of the motivation for Russia to invade
More embarrasment?
Like the anti air systems in the US that can be seen on rooftops of buildings protected against a plane that hit the pentagon, that kind of defence?
The problem I see with air defences is not that you can't shoot an enemy out of the air, it's that you don't know who is an enemy and who is not, so sneaking in a nuclear first strike on any major city with lots of air travel should be easy enough
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I would have expected that any plane travelling to a developed western air control zone would have been identified from a definite point of origin. Maybe I am optimistic.
That would require a weapon system that flys at the same altitude of commercial jets at similar speed with a transponder to mask its real identity (some type of Cruise missile or large drone?)... Otherwise they would be intercepted. Or are you talking about a bomber? Which would be easily identifiable with its transponder on, and with it off would be instantly intercepted the moment it hit controlled airspace.
If we are talking Ballistic missiles, they follow completely different flight paths, and the terminal phase will be high angle to almost vertical. There are systems in place looking for exactly that.
Even a cassena with a faulty transponder prompts a Typhoon QRA response in the UK. All air movements within controlled airspace is heavily monitored.
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Having worked in defence for a few years, mostly MoD and for a supplier, I think most countries like ourselves have a good view of any UFO with a destination path of their shores. Fairly quickly too.
What we do I have no idea though.
What we do I have no idea though.
Assuming Russia ever actually gets these mobilised meat sacks to a front I wonder how the exhausted troops who've had immense supply problems, had their contracts extended indefinitely and constantly getting ordered to go on suicide missions with Kadyrovites (who are increasingly irritated with the military) acting as commissars more interested in taking tik toks/brutalising their own troops than doing any actual work will feel about these morons coming to 'help'?
One of the Wagner bloggers was arrested trying to get to the defence minister so things are clearly unwell in Moscow and that will undoubtedly end up affecting the frontline when tensions between the groups become irreparable.
One of the Wagner bloggers was arrested trying to get to the defence minister so things are clearly unwell in Moscow and that will undoubtedly end up affecting the frontline when tensions between the groups become irreparable.
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There used to be lots of working small bunkers for royal observer corps people, some come up for sale every so often, they're just basic fallout shelters.
Similarly, I think plenty of the civil defence shelters were essentially just fallout shelters for local council leaders etc.
It's not like most of this stuff is designed to survive a direct strike, if you live in a tall building in an area that doesn't get hit then the basement would be pretty good as would any core parts away form windows - gamma rays travel in straight lines so if you're mid way up a building in the core that means multiple layers of concrete to get through.
If you're in a house with a basement then a strong table down there with lots of heavy stuff on top would be useful, if you don't have a basement then lots of heavy stuff to the sides of the strong table would be needed too, like you could get a bunch of plastic containers filled up with water, bricks, sacks of earth, all sorts of stuff, seal up most air gaps in your house or at least the room you're going to stay in.
The basic principle, so long as you're not in an area directly affected by the blast, is to not breathe in contaminated radioactive dust and to get a whole load of solid mass between you and the gamma rays, at least for a couple of days and ideally for a couple of weeks... after a day or two you could probably move around inside your house to at least make a quick trip to use the loo etc. hopefully you still have some water supply but meh...
You probably have at least 30mins or so to put together an ad hoc shelter after a bomb drops. Obvs if there is a conventional war between Russia and NATO then it might be worth spending a couple of days getting some building supplies and trying to build a small shelter in the garden.
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