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visibleman said:
The FIA does hold a lot of the responsibility though, with finance the fear of god should be instilled into the teams with severe consequences from the get-go, rather than wishy-washiness that allows room for teams to flex the rules.
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Agreed, they should have had clear fixed punishments severe enough to deter rather than an ambiguous range of options available to them, e.g. 10% points deduction for 1-5% overspend. If the rules allow for only a fine, a team like Red Bull was always going to cheat in a close championship battle knowing they would never dare to take it away if they didn't have to.
 
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Why do people keep say xx sets a precedent? It doesn't. Decisions aren't binding on future actions/cases, and the rules can be changed at will.


Mr Jack said:
Looks like Dani Ric will be sitting out next year:

It'd be a shame if his F1 career ends on this low after all that went before. I don't see him coming back in 2024, surely he's a worse prospect then than he is now so who will take him? He should seek a drive somewhere else instead. Indycar, maybe?
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Wouldn't that be the same for every driver that left? Someone still took some of them. Kimi, Schumacher, Alonso, Prost, Mansell, Lauda.
 
adam cool dude said:
Haha F1 has been a mess for ages. Sport is on its last legs really.
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I think you confused the word sport with something else, there is no sport in F1 we have been seeing this since Liberty took over, and the conclusion to last season. They refuse to ever hold their hands up and admit to failings in the business model, and look for every excuse under the sun to not just say something straight, politicians the lot of them.


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As for this cost cap balls up, yet another reason to punish a guilty party for not following a very simple rule. Don't spend more than X.. whoops we spent more than X, sorry we can't count please don't punish us, after all it was only £x million.
 
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englishpremier said:
Why do people keep say xx sets a precedent? It doesn't. Decisions aren't binding on future actions/cases, and the rules can be changed at will.




Wouldn't that be the same for every driver that left? Someone still took some of them. Kimi, Schumacher, Alonso, Prost, Mansell, Lauda.
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Of course it sets a precedent, how could it not? A precedent doesn't force future decisions, nor does it stop any rule changes, it's simply a decision that is considered in future similar cases. Which of course this would be.
 
SKILL said:
Of course it sets a precedent, how could it not? A precedent doesn't force future decisions, nor does it stop any rule changes, it's simply a decision that is considered in future similar cases. Which of course this would be.
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Because this isn't a court, and FIA change the rules on a whim, so I don't believe it sets a precedent. In the future we're likely to greater clarifications and rule changes to tidy up any loop holes and grey areas. So, no I don't see it being consider at all in the future.
 
englishpremier said:
Because this isn't a court, and FIA change the rules on a whim, so I don't believe it sets a precedent. In the future we're likely to greater clarifications and rule changes to tidy up any loop holes and grey areas. So, no I don't see it being consider at all in the future.
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It doesn't matter that it's not a court. Yes the FIA could change the rules, and that would either partially or entirely nullify this penalty as a precedent but that doesn't mean it won't set a precedent initially and until the point the rules are changed.

Of course if the FIA penalise RB then immediately and drastically change the rules then that would be a whole can of worms, and yet entirely what I expect to happen :cry:
 
precedent

noun
/ˈprɛsɪd(ə)nt/
  1. an earlier event or action that is regarded as an example or guide to be considered in subsequent similar circumstances.
    "there are substantial precedents for using interactive media in training"
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Whatever action is taken will set a precedent. That’s what the word means..
 
GravyMonster said:
Hardly. The politics has always been part of F1.

The FISA/FOCA wars however, were a much bigger deal.
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Hardly. You have had a couple of dodgy championship seasons but they have been decided on the track. Senna crashing into Prost and Schumacher crashing into Hill in the past 40 years.

The last two seasons the champion has been declared by a fixed race last season and allowing a team to spend more than anyone else and win the championship. 7 Million isn't chump change.
 
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If staff lunches are used to attract and keep top talent it’s a bit of an own goal.

It’s just Red Bull posturing, people are lapping it up, especially with the same article saying all red bull expect is a fine.

The problem the FIA face is simply every other team didn’t go crazy and took it semi seriously, so the FIA really have to make an example or there will be fireworks.
 
I wonder if we are going through a cycle, us older fans get fed up of all the drama, then the new fans come in and replace us, repeat every 10-15 years or so. After last year I was nearly done, this year I have literally watched half of the races, I think I'm done completely now..
 
MrKnifey said:
I wonder if we are going through a cycle, us older fans get fed up of all the drama, then the new fans come in and replace us, repeat every 10-15 years or so. After last year I was nearly done, this year I have literally watched half of the races, I think I'm done completely now..
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As an older fan the issue really is social media, and the actually media themselves, having an opinion which then filters down to the 'armchair' fans in forums such as this. I tend to avoid the hysterical side of that but obviously there will be those who believe every conspiracy theory and everything they read. I don't have any Twitter, fb and snapchat accounts for the sole reason 98% of it is probably a work of fiction..
 
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adam cool dude said:
7 Million isn't chump change.
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Unless you’re privy to finer details of the breach and its amount, let’s not pretend we know it’s the upper end of the “tolerance band”. Hopefully more accurate information is released in time, as it’s obviously important. Let’s remain objective rather than resorting to sensationalism, there’s enough of that online (about literally any topic) already.

I would hope everyone is in agreement that it’s not ideal and needs to be resolved quickly, although that means having faith in the FIA, so understandably most people have little confidence in the process.
 
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Scam said:
Whatever action is taken will set a precedent. That’s what the word means..
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No it's not. Your quoted piece even shows that. It's an earlier action used as an example or guide to similar actions in the future. For it to set a precedent then requires that the FIA would considering it in a similar case in future. My believe is that they won't. Therefore I cannot see it as a precedent.
 
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