Kwasi Kwarteng has been sacked..

[Chris Wilson]

the Tories are not ready for an "ethnic" to lead them. It's against the basic ideology. They can have the ethnics in positions that alow for them to be thrown under a bus, but never in a position to be throwing others under a bus.

Not even those sorts of moves work well for them, they put an ethnic up in what was one of their safest seats here in North Shropshire, to replace Owen Patterson when he resigned, so the voters showed their opinion of that stunt and elected Helen Morgan, a Liberal Democrat. Quite what the Tory party were thinking of I have no idea, it seemed to have been the start of their drift into their current madness.

The seat was previously Conservative since 1832! The ethnic candidate even had his flyer cover photo taken in the heart of the South Shropshire seat, such was his ignorance and his slackness. Morgan said she was against racism, so it was explained to her that racism is just what gifted her the seat...

 

[inogen]

Why would a right wing voter vote for a left wing party?

Let’s not forget that Blair was Tory-lite to get in and Corbyn (supported by Starmer) was a left wing extremist and utterly rejected by the voters.

This isn’t a socialist country.

Trying to make out political choices are as binary as PS5 being better than Xbox is such a pathetic simplification.

That's certainly one way of framing it.

The other is that Blair was a centrist, Starmer is centrist. Most of the Tory PMs since Thatcher have been centrist, even Johnson was a sort of centrist, at least publicly. Major, & May and Cameron certainly projected himself as a centrist. The UK is a centrist country.

Corybn is a bit of an outlier. Nowhere near as extreme as he was portrayed, but even with that, far more popular and more centrist than any of these weird ****heads we've got in charge now.

The UK is not a right wing country.

Edit - The Tory Party have been hijacked by right wing extremists and it's been spotted. Pick your side. The only people hanging on are the weirdos and the simpletons. Be warned though, unless it's sorted out relatively quickly, things could get very nasty. A few blackouts over the winter and things could look very different indeed. The austerity riots were nothing to what's coming IMO.

 

[Quartz]

A lot of people stopped voting completely.

In 2019 the turnout was 67.3%, down 1.5% from 2017, but up from 2015 when it was 66.4% and from 2010 when it was 65.5%. It was the second highest since 1997.

The below is from the Commons Library:

 

[n111ck]

That's certainly one way of framing it.

The other is that Blair was a centrist, Starmer is centrist. Most of the Tory PMs since Thatcher have been centrist, even Johnson was a sort of centrist. Major, & May and Cameron certainly projected himself as a centrist. The UK is a centrist country.

Corybn is a bit of an outlier. Nowhere near as extreme as he was portrayed, but even with that, far more popular than any of these weird ****heads we've got in charge now.

The UK is not a right wing country.

Well if you look at it that way then maybe the solution is an actual right wing PM..

I see The Sun is shifting towards Rishi as the new PM so I think Truss is screwed..

 

[inogen]

Well if you look at it that way then maybe the solution is an actual right wing PM..

Wut?

A) wtf has that got to do with what I said?
B) htf is that any kind of "solution"
C) who TF wants that?

And by the way, we've already got one.

 

[englishpremier]

The whole right wing and left wing is a bit of a nonsense in modern day politics. Parties and the individuals in them have policies that span across spectrums.

 

[GordyR]

Well if you look at it that way then maybe the solution is an actual right wing PM..

Eh?

Have you been living under a rock the last few weeks?

The entire country, the markets, every economist on the planet, and just about anyone with an ounce of intellect have just utterly rejected the far-right extremists currently in power along with their utterly loony toons economics.

Thankfully…

 

[chrcoluk]

Why would a right wing voter vote for a left wing party?

Let’s not forget that Blair was Tory-lite to get in and Corbyn (supported by Starmer) was a left wing extremist and utterly rejected by the voters.

This isn’t a socialist country.

Trying to make out political choices are as binary as PS5 being better than Xbox is such a pathetic simplification.

He wasnt utterly rejected, that would mean he had only a few seats or none, and he did actually have a respectable popular vote count.

I think the two main contributors to his 2nd election vote drop were Brexit (too many voting on that and forgetting local policies), and the right wing media press machine. Finally there was quite a few who had a personal dislike of him and probably because of that didnt even have any interest in policies or what they thought was right for the country. One such person took part in the Keir thread and I posted a facts and myths link about corbyn but they didnt really respond to that article, once someone hates someone it usually sticks for life justified or not

There is claims of things like "electorate decides" and so forth but the reality is we have a dodgy election system and ignorant voting base who are easily manipulated (Brexit referendum is all the proof of that you need).

The last election where a Labour leader got more popular votes was Blair in 1997, yes he got more than Blair in 2001 and 2005 (and way more than Miliband and Brown) but Blair won his elections due to how the votes fell on FPTP.

A left wing extremist probably would be doing all of the following. Just to make you realise there is far more left than what Corbyn was.

Take land from land owners by force.
100% tax on inheritance tax.
Force closure of private schools.
Close all tax loop holes.
Top rate tax back to 1970s levels.
Take back all energy, royal mail, rail industry without paying for it.
Hard regulate rents.
Ban ownership of second homes.
All house building social only.

He moved hard left by his 2nd election (1st I would say he was moderate left), but not an extremist.

 

[inogen]

The whole right wing and left wing is a bit of a nonsense in modern day politics. Parties and the individuals in them have policies that span across spectrums.

Says the right wing trying to distance themselves from ****ing everyone over. Again.

 

[n111ck]

#Momentum have entered the chat..

 

[n111ck]

Eh?

Have you been living under a rock the last few weeks?

The entire country, the markets, every economist on the planet, and just about anyone with an ounce of intellect have just utterly rejected the far-right extremists currently in power along with their utterly loony toons economics.

Thankfully…

Except none of the policies were extreme and most would have been retained by Labour.

The issue was how they did it not what they did.

 

[chroniclard]

Same old lies and propaganda. Its why your loonies will be ousted and why the last 12 years have been a failure of epic proportions.

 

[inogen]

Just to make you realise there is far more left than what Corbyn was.

Indeed. I voted Labour when Corbyn was leader of Labour. I'm no extreme left winger. I consider myself a very moderate social democrat. I'm a small business owner. I'm no communist.

I've considered every Tory leader (including May, due to the fact that her party was being held to ransom by the ERG) as a far more extreme and present threat to the status quo.

 

[chrcoluk]

Starmer tried to put that nutter in No 10 not once but twice and we’re supposed to trust his judgement to run the country?

What made him a nutter in your eyes.

Before you say it.

Less spending and deficit than current government.

Also do you hold the same lack of forgiveness against all the Tory MPs that voted Truss in?

 

[inogen]

Except none of the policies were extreme and most would have been retained by Labour.

The issue was how they did it not what they did.

Lol.

 

[n111ck]

Lol.

So then you must think Labour are extreme for not wanting to immeadiately reverse all the changes..

 

[GordyR]

#Momentum have entered the chat..

Good grief.

If anyone needed a good example of how breathtakingly detached from reality you are, this is it.

The fact that you’re labelling ex-Conservative Party members and anyone even close to the centre as #momentum is pretty astonishing to be honest. It should suggest to you that you likely sit neatly in the lunatic fringes of the far-right and have a spectacularly warped view of this country’s Overton window.

Wow…

 

[inogen]

So then you must think Labour are extreme for not wanting to immeadiately reverse all the changes..

No, I just think you're talking ****

It's all whataboutery and excuses.

You don't like the idea that you should be facing up to the fact that for whatever reason, you back the wrong horse.

 

[chrcoluk]

Good grief.

If anyone needed a good example of how breathtakingly detached from reality you are, this is it.

The fact that you’re labelling ex-Conservative Party members and anyone even close to the centre as #momentum is pretty astonishing to be honest. It should suggest to you that you likely sit neatly in the lunatic fringes of the far-right and have a spectacularly warped view of this country’s Overton window.

Wow…

Probably thinks anyone left of Liz's stance is left wing.

 

[n111ck]

Good grief.

If anyone needed a good example of how breathtakingly detached from reality you are, this is it.

The fact that you’re labelling ex-Conservative Party members and anyone even close to the centre as #momentum is pretty astonishing to be honest. It should suggest to you that you likely sit neatly in the lunatic fringes of the far-right and have a spectacularly warped view of this country’s Overton window.

Wow…

Was referring to post 388 but someone else posted just before me.. so stop with the hysteria lol