Noise camera trial starts in Bradford today.

dLockers said:
JayEmm just put the Speciale a little bit further out of reach as well :D:(
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Not watched his videos for a while, did he get or just review one?

If the prices ever drop back down I may consider one but the 458 was too good, the Speciale though better is not twice the car, not even close and I'd far rather have a 458 & 600 LT rather than just one Speciale.
 
Gibbo said:
Not watched his videos for a while, did he get or just review one?

If the prices ever drop back down I may consider one but the 458 was too good, the Speciale though better is not twice the car, not even close and I'd far rather have a 458 & 600 LT rather than just one Speciale.
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Just reviewed one - really pumped the hype around it.
 
Current regulations:

Cars and Noise​


The external noise emitted by passenger cars has been controlled since 1929 when the Motor Cars (Excessive Noise) regulations were introduced. New cars are now required to meet Europe-wide noise limits. These have been progressively reduced from 82 decibels (dB (A)) in 1978 to the current limit of 72 dB (A) established in 2016.

Information on the level of noise recorded for new models of cars at their type approval test is listed in the data tables which can be found at https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/

When looking at this information please note that off-road vehicles are allowed to be 1dB (A) louder and wheelchair accessible vehicles or armoured vehicles are allowed to be 2 dB (A) louder.

The noise levels quoted above are the maximum levels that are permitted for new vehicle types. Many vehicles produce lower levels of noise, and it is illegal to modify the exhaust system of a vehicle to make it noisier than the level recorded for that model at type approval.

A new EU regulation was introduced from July 2016. Regulation (EU) No 540/2014, phases in tighter noise limits over 10 years, together with a revised, more representative test procedure. By 2026 the limit for most new passenger cars will be 68 dB(A).
 
Chris Wilson said:
Current regulations:

Cars and Noise​


The external noise emitted by passenger cars has been controlled since 1929 when the Motor Cars (Excessive Noise) regulations were introduced. New cars are now required to meet Europe-wide noise limits. These have been progressively reduced from 82 decibels (dB (A)) in 1978 to the current limit of 72 dB (A) established in 2016.

Information on the level of noise recorded for new models of cars at their type approval test is listed in the data tables which can be found at https://carfueldata.vehicle-certification-agency.gov.uk/

When looking at this information please note that off-road vehicles are allowed to be 1dB (A) louder and wheelchair accessible vehicles or armoured vehicles are allowed to be 2 dB (A) louder.

The noise levels quoted above are the maximum levels that are permitted for new vehicle types. Many vehicles produce lower levels of noise, and it is illegal to modify the exhaust system of a vehicle to make it noisier than the level recorded for that model at type approval.

A new EU regulation was introduced from July 2016. Regulation (EU) No 540/2014, phases in tighter noise limits over 10 years, together with a revised, more representative test procedure. By 2026 the limit for most new passenger cars will be 68 dB(A).
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Well most car manufacturers are breaking said noise limits.

Or is this talking idle or very low RPM noise? I know for one my Exige fails a 98dB driveby, admittedly that is full chat on a track but it is around 100Db now I for one would never be going full chat in a city due to a 30mph speed limit and if these cameras are just in cities and not NSL or motorways then there should not be an issue, but pretty much no supercar adheres to 72db, certainly not when accelerations, in some situations even gently.
 
Gibbo said:
Well most car manufacturers are breaking said noise limits.

Or is this talking idle or very low RPM noise? I know for one my Exige fails a 98dB driveby, admittedly that is full chat on a track but it is around 100Db now I for one would never be going full chat in a city due to a 30mph speed limit and if these cameras are just in cities and not NSL or motorways then there should not be an issue, but pretty much no supercar adheres to 72db, certainly not when accelerations, in some situations even gently.
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IIRC it's more of a tyre noise test than anything, as it's at like 40mph from 20m or something. So most cars even mega stuff will be in 'default' comfort/quiet mode just ticking along in top gear.
 
I'm all for very strict laws on this because we've allowed this to get out of hand now. It's completely unacceptable and unnecessary. If I'm buying a fast car and I go to get it tuned, I literally want the most power I can get, the quietest way possible. Why on earth do I want my car to be as loud as possible? It serves no purpose for a road car. The irony is, some track cars have to be quieter than a lot of the road cars we hear today. A nice sporty growl is fine, but the really loud pipes and pop and bang stuff is laughable to think people think they're cool. No, you look like a tool and almost everyone hates you.
 
jaybee said:
I'm all for very strict laws on this because we've allowed this to get out of hand now. It's completely unacceptable and unnecessary. If I'm buying a fast car and I go to get it tuned, I literally want the most power I can get, the quietest way possible. Why on earth do I want my car to be as loud as possible? It serves no purpose for a road car. The irony is, some track cars have to be quieter than a lot of the road cars we hear today. A nice sporty growl is fine, but the really loud pipes and pop and bang stuff is laughable to think people think they're cool. No, you look like a tool and almost everyone hates you.
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The cars with pops and bangs tend to pass track noise limits fine because on track the car does not have much chance to make such a rackett and as it is mainly 4 pot owners doing this said cars at full chat tend to not be that loud it is when they engage their pop and bang map and start lifting off or revving unnecessary, it sounds aweful and is just annoying.

But I know that pretty much most modern Lotus Exiges emit around 100dB on a full chat driveby, I would think if the owner is in top gear doing 40mph they will be fine however, but what happens if for whatever reason said driver needs to select a lower gear for whatever the reason might be and then said stock factory vehicle triggers the noise limit.

It seems a rule to punish potentially many car owners who have not actually broken any law, as someone else posted why not just make bang maps illegal, problem is just like de-cats they really cannot as they simply cannot enforce it, so it seems the approach is to punish all because police are too lazy to actually go after the true problem.
 
Gibbo said:
The cars with pops and bangs tend to pass track noise limits fine because on track the car does not have much chance to make such a rackett and as it is mainly 4 pot owners doing this said cars at full chat tend to not be that loud it is when they engage their pop and bang map and start lifting off or revving unnecessary, it sounds aweful and is just annoying.

But I know that pretty much most modern Lotus Exiges emit around 100dB on a full chat driveby, I would think if the owner is in top gear doing 40mph they will be fine however, but what happens if for whatever reason said driver needs to select a lower gear for whatever the reason might be and then said stock factory vehicle triggers the noise limit.

It seems a rule to punish potentially many car owners who have not actually broken any law, as someone else posted why not just make bang maps illegal, problem is just like de-cats they really cannot as they simply cannot enforce it, so it seems the approach is to punish all because police are too lazy to actually go after the true problem.
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If you buy a stock car that is breaking the noise limits already quoted in this thread then really you only have yourself to blame.
 
200sols said:
If you buy a stock car that is breaking the noise limits already quoted in this thread then really you only have yourself to blame.
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Do you break out your Db meter when you go car buying? I think it's generally accepted that if you buy a stock car that is not an import then you would expect to it meet the regs in the country it's being sold in.
 
tom_e said:
Do you break out your Db meter when you go car buying? I think it's generally accepted that if you buy a stock car that is not an import then you would expect to it meet the regs in the country it's being sold in.
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Generally accepted yeah, like it was generally accepted they complied with emmision rules etc. I guess after you've been fined you could take it up with the manufacturer.
 
Gibbo said:
The cars with pops and bangs tend to pass track noise limits fine because on track the car does not have much chance to make such a rackett and as it is mainly 4 pot owners doing this said cars at full chat tend to not be that loud it is when they engage their pop and bang map and start lifting off or revving unnecessary, it sounds aweful and is just annoying.

But I know that pretty much most modern Lotus Exiges emit around 100dB on a full chat driveby, I would think if the owner is in top gear doing 40mph they will be fine however, but what happens if for whatever reason said driver needs to select a lower gear for whatever the reason might be and then said stock factory vehicle triggers the noise limit.

It seems a rule to punish potentially many car owners who have not actually broken any law, as someone else posted why not just make bang maps illegal, problem is just like de-cats they really cannot as they simply cannot enforce it, so it seems the approach is to punish all because police are too lazy to actually go after the true problem.
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Points taken but I think it's a big ask to expect plod to go round selectively tackling pop bang maps given how stretched their resources are these days as it is. It was always going to have to be a blanket noise measurement thing. Frankly my sympathy meter is only reading 1 out of 100 for all those with genuinely stock cars which so happen to emit sounds close to the limit, given they will be typically expensive, fast cars such as yours Gibbo! ;)
You could always go and buy an electric vehicle that will be silently faster. :)
 
tom_e said:
Do you break out your Db meter when you go car buying? I think it's generally accepted that if you buy a stock car that is not an import then you would expect to it meet the regs in the country it's being sold in.
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Meeting the noise regs and acceptable noise levels / responsible driving in town / city streets are two very different things.

I'm not sure using the defense of "The car has been certified to meet noise levels" whilst driving through town WOT in 1st, is a good defense.

I imagine any stock car driven responsibly for the surrounding wouldn't result in the driver getting a fine.
 
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Firestar_3x said:
Meeting the noise regs and acceptable noise levels / responsible driving in town / city streets are two very different things.

I'm not sure using the defense of "The car has been certified to meet noise levels" whilst driving through town WOT in 1st, is a good defense.

I imagine any stock car driven responsibly for the surrounding wouldn't result in the driver getting a fine.
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It is almost like if you drive like a yob in low gear in public places you deserve punishment.
 
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