Going to be a tight squeeze even with these included fan bracket mounts, these 180mm fans are quite thick. Will browse YouTube for vids with AIOs in the front of this case otherwise it'll be a NH-D15 which might be the best option overall.
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Going to be a tight squeeze even with these included fan bracket mounts, these 180mm fans are quite thick. Will browse YouTube for vids with AIOs in the front of this case otherwise it'll be a NH-D15 which might be the best option overall.
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This is why I never consider Intel anymore. I've been on AM4 for 4 years and I could probably stay on it for another 5 if I wanted.
Trouble is with AM5 you'd be investing in the upgrade path and hoping that Ryzen 8000 competes strongly against Intel 14th gen.
For right now, today, a 13600k is a little cheaper than a 7600x in terms of platform cost, games just as well, and is better in productivity. Same story with the 13700k vs 7700x. Which I guess means that if your PC is for pure gaming, take the one you prefer. But if you ever do anything like video encoding or 3D rendering or any serious work, then midrange Ryzen 7000s are tough to recommend.
It feels weird to say that Intel almost seems the better value right now, but it seems to be true, especially if you settle for one of last-year's motherboards.
Shame Intel don't have the guts to promise 14th gen on the same socket. It already supports DDR5, if they stretched it out for another generation they'd be the go-to choice for at least 2 years. Missed opportunity, imo.
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This is the problem with Intel... I wouldn't be surprised if AMD follows suit. By the time my 13600K runs out of steam, AM5 will be cheaper... then again, AM6 might be out by then and we'll be back here debating about prices again!
That is my current dilemma.
For everything I personally do, a 13600k would probably be better than a 7700X, despite having only 6 P-cores vs 8 Zen cores, because the only thing I have that goes above 6 heavy threads is Cities Skylines; and it's fairly common that all threads end up waiting on the traffic routing thread anyway. As long as that's on a P-core, it doesn't matter where the others are. Ensuring that the main thread can have a core all to itself is most important.
That said... I do not like 13th gen power numbers. Not at all. I don't want that much waste heat, and frankly I might have to budget a bigger PSU than my current (new!) 600W. And I've been reading up on Ryzen's eco mode, which looks like it can genuinely take 30-50% of the power away and only sacrifice 5-10% performance. I need to get more info on that, but it does look like Ryzen 7000 in eco mode is astonishingly efficient to the point it should probably be default mode, and what is currently the default should be a turbo you turn on if you can handle it. Think I could take a 7700X, capped at 105W, probably doing like 5ghz MT and normal boost ST, and it would still be a good 60-70% faster than my [email protected].
Which is sort of making me take a different angle. It doesn't necessarily matter to me what is the absolute top performer; what I want is a significant upgrade, ideally one who's thermals I can tame and fit into a micro atx case. That's probably not Intel this gen!
But I miss the days when processors were just better each gen, instead of coming with pros and cons. Anyway, sorry, I think I've gone off on a tangent from this thread's intent
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In shortThat is my current dilemma.
For everything I personally do, a 13600k would probably be better than a 7700X, despite having only 6 P-cores vs 8 Zen cores, because the only thing I have that goes above 6 heavy threads is Cities Skylines; and it's fairly common that all threads end up waiting on the traffic routing thread anyway. As long as that's on a P-core, it doesn't matter where the others are. Ensuring that the main thread can have a core all to itself is most important.
That said... I do not like 13th gen power numbers. Not at all. I don't want that much waste heat, and frankly I might have to budget a bigger PSU than my current (new!) 600W. And I've been reading up on Ryzen's eco mode, which looks like it can genuinely take 30-50% of the power away and only sacrifice 5-10% performance. I need to get more info on that, but it does look like Ryzen 7000 in eco mode is astonishingly efficient to the point it should probably be default mode, and what is currently the default should be a turbo you turn on if you can handle it. Think I could take a 7700X, capped at 105W, probably doing like 5ghz MT and normal boost ST, and it would still be a good 60-70% faster than my [email protected].
Which is sort of making me take a different angle. It doesn't necessarily matter to me what is the absolute top performer; what I want is a significant upgrade, ideally one who's thermals I can tame and fit into a micro atx case. That's probably not Intel this gen!
But I miss the days when processors were just better each gen, instead of coming with pros and cons. Anyway, sorry, I think I've gone off on a tangent from this thread's intent
Loosing a bit of performance for the sake of longevivity and power saving which isn't a bad compromise.
I think lots have gone AMD for the exact same reasons.
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Loosing a bit of performance for the sake of longevivity and power saving which isn't a bad compromise.
I think lots have gone AMD for the exact same reasons.
Can confirm that was primary factor for me. Longevity.
AM5 is very tempting for this reason. I do feel a bit sad that things are priced so high compared to their Intel equivalent though. Hopefully AMD will bring them inline with the competition relative to their actual performance (not just P-cores vs Zen-cores). I priced up a 13600K and a 7700X platform upgrade and ended up with the i5 being several hundred pounds cheaper, and that was with DDR5 on both options. And the i5 probably performs a little better - except for the atrocious power draw/thermals.
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Hi,
Guys.. Please help and share some information rumors about ITX boards for B650e chipset. I preordered Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I ITX board and only overclockers and maybe one more offering this model.. Rest just MSI. For MSI in some places are information about ETA 23 November. Did anybody know when we could expect this Asus B650E-I ITX board to arrive and be available on stock ?
Thank You anybody who know some rumors and can share some +- informations about when it gonna be available.
Cheers
Guys.. Please help and share some information rumors about ITX boards for B650e chipset. I preordered Asus ROG STRIX B650E-I ITX board and only overclockers and maybe one more offering this model.. Rest just MSI. For MSI in some places are information about ETA 23 November. Did anybody know when we could expect this Asus B650E-I ITX board to arrive and be available on stock ?
Thank You anybody who know some rumors and can share some +- informations about when it gonna be available.
Cheers
I just got the MSI X670E Carbon WiFi which was definitively not cheap. Think as others alluded to above it was far more a decision of longevity.
I was slightly scarred by my former board, Asus X570 Prime Pro that gave me nothing but issues(though not enough to warrant replacement), like rejecting XMP timings, having to clear CMOS by removing battery when it inevitably hung, intermittently not recognising one of my SSDs, and just other miscellaneous issues that only it gave. Arguably the motherboard is one of the longest lasting components(bar the PSU) you'll have in your build, and having had to tolerate a temperamental board I'm very keen to have a new one with all the bells and whistles.
That said, I wouldn't have bought the whole AM5 setup had it not been that the X570 was feeling increasingly unstable with strange BSODs on cold boots. Didn't want to lose a lot of my stuff because the motherboard finally had enough!
Hoping I can use this for at least 4 years and never feel I'm missing a feature or have to worry about it
I was slightly scarred by my former board, Asus X570 Prime Pro that gave me nothing but issues(though not enough to warrant replacement), like rejecting XMP timings, having to clear CMOS by removing battery when it inevitably hung, intermittently not recognising one of my SSDs, and just other miscellaneous issues that only it gave. Arguably the motherboard is one of the longest lasting components(bar the PSU) you'll have in your build, and having had to tolerate a temperamental board I'm very keen to have a new one with all the bells and whistles.
That said, I wouldn't have bought the whole AM5 setup had it not been that the X570 was feeling increasingly unstable with strange BSODs on cold boots. Didn't want to lose a lot of my stuff because the motherboard finally had enough!
Hoping I can use this for at least 4 years and never feel I'm missing a feature or have to worry about it
FWIW, I've yet to hear of large scale data loss due to a faulty motherboard - or indeed anything short of a lightning strike. Mostly I'd expect you to lose whatever was being written at the time of a hard crash. On the subject of which, I've had a few myself recently, so bad the reset button doesn't work... Not entirely sure if that will get worse, but I hope some cheaper AM5 options emerge before it does!
We should see a minimum of 1 more generation of Ryzen on AM5, and from what I know, MSI tend to build things that are "never bad, not often amazing" so at least it should be a solid workhorse that will take an 8000 series. If we're lucky, maybe even the 9000s for 5-6 years longevity
