Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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robgmun said:
I've been telling my family that he'll be dead or incapacitated by Easter next year due to "health issues", Either a "heart attack" or "stroke"
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Well, it looks like they're having a 'dry run' on my prediction above:
www.dailymail.co.uk

Russian Foreign minister Sergey Lavrov taken to hospital at G20 summit

Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov mocked reports he is suffering a heart problem at the G20 in Indonesia, accusing critics of playing 'a game' after years of claims around Putin's health.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk
 
Mercenary Keyboard Warrior said:
Interesting if they really have moved across to that spit.

I guess most people, probably including the Russians figured Ukraine would switch to the south to try to push down to cut off the area above Crimea.
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I think one thing Ukraine doesn’t lack is manpower, so I guess where the russians are spread thin they can keep the pressure on across all fronts and the hammer weak links when they spot one.

CaneyJ said:
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Also there's a video out showing a Ukranian BMP at full speed just skipping over those magic "Dragon's Teeth". So much for a tank trap .:cry:
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Saw a vid from 2014 when they retook Mariupol and a bmp had proper air time ramming a barricade then too!
 
Grim5 said:
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This is actually huge, it means all those Russian fortifications are just going to get bypassed / flanked. Russia will have to move a lot of manpower down to defend against this, which then means they are pulling manpower currently from the north.

Could this then see a northern Ukrainian flank move down, take out the Crimea bridge with himars and all of a sudden you have a lot of Ruskies trapped in Crimea with no way to escape.
 
Really don't understand the US's position on ATACMS at this point as the more time passes without giving Ukraine the ability to strike deeper into Crimea/Donbas the more it appears to be intentionally slowing them down.
 
StriderX said:
Really don't understand the US's position on ATACMS at this point as the more time passes without giving Ukraine the ability to strike deeper into Crimea/Donbas the more it appears to be intentionally slowing them down.
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I'm not convinced as to the US's intentions in Ukraine - IMO they have too much of a vested interest in seeing Russia bleed to help Ukraine beat them too quickly.

EDIT: Though in some ways it is better at a larger scale if Russia's abilities are eroded so that they are less a potential threat to peace in the longer and wider term.
 
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Think about 1000 pages back there was a succinct analysis - the USA want to proft extensively, so only supply *just* about the right level so AFU can do it themselves, just enough manpads/ anti tank missiles, just enough artillery or himars etc. Most AFU kit is home built or under lend lease from russia :P
 
StriderX said:
Really don't understand the US's position on ATACMS at this point as the more time passes without giving Ukraine the ability to strike deeper into Crimea/Donbas the more it appears to be intentionally slowing them down.
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I read somewhere the other day its to do with the quantities available, that GMLRS are available in the thousands and ATACMS are in the hundreds.

If they were provided I think it would be for very specific one off strikes against especially high value targets.
 
CaneyJ said:
It also doesn't help the General Milley from the start has always seemingly been holding Ukraine back militarily (fortunetly Biden disagrees).

Some comments here reveal more about the man from somebody who worked with him.

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After Afghanistan I'm surprised he wasn't given the boot but maybe Biden is exercising a keep your enemies close policy :s (not that I've really seen Biden have that kind of shredwness).
 
dLockers said:
China looking on gleefully as it 'weakens the west' by pumping so much resource into Ukraine. Luckily they're closer to China than us so could be beneficial long term!
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The Nato resource's pumped into Ukraine is nothing compared to what they have.

When this is all over Ukraine with be part of it too and they will pay all the NATO countries back. They are a rich country resourced wise so paying it back over X amount of years is no problem for them.

NATO isn't only doing this for Ukraine either. The Russian threat is there for all in the East so stopping Putler now is in our best interests.
 
SideWinder said:
Anyone else worried if Ukraine push for Crimea? Russia have 'claimed' it for ages so think they could be extremely annoyed...more so than their recent 'claims'.
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"Extremely annoyed" are you for real, what are they going to do, does their military have an Extremely annoyed division thats better than their basic old bog standard occupation troops?

I can hear Putler now, "look here chaps if you don't let us keep your territory I'm going to get extremely annoyed. That will do it.
 
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StriderX said:
Really don't understand the US's position on ATACMS at this point as the more time passes without giving Ukraine the ability to strike deeper into Crimea/Donbas the more it appears to be intentionally slowing them down.
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Thing is, as soon as an ATACMS hits Crimea it becomes a lot easier for Russia to claim NATO is fighting them directly and a lot easier for the "Nuke em till they glow" faction in Russia to gain power. There is also a school of thought UKR actually has the 300km version, which is implied by the below quote.

"Well, the HIMARS—there's two kinds of, in the average person's parlance, rockets you can drop in those: one that goes over 600 miles and one that goes about 160 miles," he said.
"We didn't give them any ones that go to 600 miles, because I'm not looking for them to start bombing Russian territory."
 
nsmalley said:
Thing is, as soon as an ATACMS hits Crimea it becomes a lot easier for Russia to claim NATO is fighting them directly and a lot easier for the "Nuke em till they glow" faction in Russia to gain power. There is also a school of thought UKR actually has the 300km version, which is implied by the below quote.
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Ukrain is already taking back land that Russia claimed as its own.

Russia was hoping that annexation and nuclear threats would stop exactly what Ukrainian forces are doing now.

Crimea is Ukraine, Russia took it by force and they may well lose it by force.
 
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gailjon said:
That's real desperation. I do really wonder how long the Russian populace will continue to allow this to happen. Surely there has to be a breaking point.
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Putler dies when there is, the sooner the better. If only he would fall out a high window, this would end immediately as the one who takes his place wouldn't want the same fate.

I know there are others like him in the wings but you're not going to keep a campaign going knowing it just got the last guy killed.
 
nsmalley said:
Thing is, as soon as an ATACMS hits Crimea it becomes a lot easier for Russia to claim NATO is fighting them directly and a lot easier for the "Nuke em till they glow" faction in Russia to gain power. There is also a school of thought UKR actually has the 300km version, which is implied by the below quote.

"Well, the HIMARS—there's two kinds of, in the average person's parlance, rockets you can drop in those: one that goes over 600 miles and one that goes about 160 miles," he said.
"We didn't give them any ones that go to 600 miles, because I'm not looking for them to start bombing Russian territory."
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Russia knows that NATO will respond in a big way. Russia can’t afford to lose much more. I don’t think Crimea is worth their Black Sea fleet for example.
 
bris said:
The thing is though Russia has to keep their Navy a hundred miles away because of the threat Ukraine have with those nice little missiles we gave them.

This gives them room to move troops into position from that area.
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And they have pinpoint artillery cover. Still, balls of steel right there.
 
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