Five dead and more than 40 injured including 12 kids as driver mows down Wisconsin Christmas parade

Dis86 said:
Yes, but the roots are demonstrably there. As per the link
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Yes, but the link to his actions are not demonstrably there. As per my link.

It's almost like it's not as clear cut as I originally said. You may be right, but it is by no means certain that you are correct.
 
Pudney said:
Yes, but the link to his actions are not demonstrably there. As per my link.

It's almost like it's not as clear cut as I originally said. You may be right, but it is by no means certain that you are correct.
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That could be the same for any racially charged attack. Unless they're literally screaming 'die black, die' or some variation thereof when they're carrying out the attack.

The guy has a history of threatening and supporting violence against white people (and jews).

He then kills and injures many, where he was seen to be intentionally targetting and driving in to people. All of whom were white.

If that shoe were on any other foot it would be racially orientated. The parallels were drawn with the rittenhouse case because he didn't kill a black person, has no history of racial comments and yet was branded a racist (with idiots frequently claiming he did kill a or multiple black people).
 
Pawnless Endgame said:
There was an incident in Scotland around 8-10 years ago where a bin lorry driver fell asleep at the wheel. The bin lorry lost control and ran into a crowd of people, killing/injuring about 16. Although it was an accident, it went to police inquiry (not a trial) as the driver had failed to disclose a medical condition and there was a similar / previous incident (although no casualties).

Following this Scottish incident, I couldn't help noticing that terrorist attacks started to use vehicle-ramming as an attack method. Like we had the lorry attack in Nice/France, the same in Berlin/Germany, plus several in London, think: Westminster and London Bridge. I'm happy to be corrected, but before the bin lorry incident, I never recalled this type of attack, so it seems to be copy-cat crime to me.
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Yeah, it showed a distinct lack of imagination from those idiots. I had been expecting that for years.

There are other similarly mundane atrack methods, which they still haven't spotted, thank god. Obviously not making any suggestions, just in case...
 
Dis86 said:
That could be the same for any racially charged attack. Unless they're literally screaming 'die black, die' or some variation thereof when they're carrying out the attack.

The guy has a history of threatening and supporting violence against white people (and jews).

He then kills and injures many, where he was seen to be intentionally targetting and driving in to people. All of whom were white.

If that shoe were on any other foot it would be racially orientated. The parallels were drawn with the rittenhouse case because he didn't kill a black person, has no history of racial comments and yet was branded a racist (with idiots frequently claiming he did kill a or multiple black people).
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This guy had a history of violence full stop. He had just been released on bail after assaulting his ex-girlfriend and attempting to run her over in the same vehicle he later used in this attack three weeks prior. This guy is also someone who has behaved in an unstable manner during his trial.

Everything else you assert to be a clear link is just your opinion. You're entitled to an opinion but you're not entitled to present it as fact. Despite your attempt to suggest otherwise, it's not uncommon for politically or racially motivated actions to be preceded by a message of some form declaring the motive. The complete absence of any causal connection, and the fact this person was in the midst of a domestic violence episode calls into question your views.

No effort was made by prosecutors to link the crime to a hate crime. The reasonable inference seems to be that there was insufficient evidence to support it. You're calling out the Rittenhouse situation, correctly, but fail to apply the same evidential requirement in this case. All you have is supposition and circumstantial evidence.
 
Pudney said:
This guy had a history of violence full stop. He had just been released on bail after assaulting his ex-girlfriend and attempting to run her over in the same vehicle he later used in this attack three weeks prior. This guy is also someone who has behaved in an unstable manner during his trial.

Everything else you assert to be a clear link is just your opinion. You're entitled to an opinion but you're not entitled to present it as fact. Despite your attempt to suggest otherwise, it's not uncommon for politically or racially motivated actions to be preceded by a message of some form declaring the motive. The complete absence of any causal connection, and the fact this person was in the midst of a domestic violence episode calls into question your views.

No effort was made by prosecutors to link the crime to a hate crime. The reasonable inference seems to be that there was insufficient evidence to support it. You're calling out the Rittenhouse situation, correctly, but fail to apply the same evidential requirement in this case. All you have is supposition and circumstantial evidence.
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I wouldn't use the prosecutors actions as justification for anything seeing as they've made multiple errors.
I'm presenting the facts as they stand.

Did he or did he not make violent comments of a racist nature? Yes.

Has he or has he not deliberately targeted people? Yes.

Were all of those he targeted and killed white? Yes.

They are the facts. The only thing that is a question is whether the last part was purely coincidental. As I've pointed out, in any other case with a potential racial motive it wouldn't be.
 
I notice this trial isn't getting the same coverage in the UK as say Rittenhouse for example, I wonder why that is.. :rolleyes:
 
VincentHanna said:
Because there is a war in Europe, inflation is going mad, people are choosing between heating and eating etc?
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You know you libs people can not at any time say things against a person of colour for any reason.

On 10 pages and not many libs posting to say how bad he\it is.
 
VincentHanna said:
You need liberals to tell you a man with a history of violence, who mowed down innocent people, is a bad man?
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If it had been a white supremacist mowing down a bunch of black people just going about their day rather than a black supremacist mowing down whitey this thread would be at well over 20 pages (100 replies per page) and you know it.
 
C Kent said:
If it had been a white supremacist mowing down a bunch of black people just going about their day rather than a black supremacist mowing down whitey this thread would be at well over 20 pages (100 replies per page) and you know it.
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Truth.
 
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