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CaneyJ said:
All Ukraine has to focus on is murdering as many Russians as it can over winter.

At the current casualty rates; They will have burned through those 30,000 good troops they saved from Kherson which got moved to Donbas in around 45 days.

Just keep laying down those HIMARS rockets and juicy drone drops and father winter will take care of the rest :3.
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ISW says Russia is already preparing for mobilization round 2, starting in December

Part of why Russia wants a ceasefire is that it can't supply the mobilized and yet they are going to draft even more because it's believed that the Russians are going to try to overwhelm the Ukranians next spring/summer by fielding more soldiers than Ukraine has
 
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Grim5 said:
Part of why Russia wants a ceasefire is that it can't supply the mobilized and yet they are going to draft even more because it's believed that the Russians are going to try to overwhelm the Ukranians next spring/summer by fielding more soldiers than Ukraine has
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I've seen it reported that Russia is unable to train their drafted soldiers because they sent the trainers to the front line earlier in the invasion and they're mostly dead or injured now. If that's true it doesn't really matter how many soldiers Russia drafts. Untrained, or poorly trained, troops are next to worthless, often worse than worthless.

Besides which I doubt that Russia can actually field more soldiers than Ukraine. Ukraine can call up basically the entire fighting age population, and they'll go with high spirits. The size of the Ukrainian army is basically limited by their logistics and training abilities, but Ukraine getting tens of thousands of soldiers trained right now by partners in Europe (I think the UK is the biggest partner here, but they're being trained elsewhere too) to NATO standards so it doesn't need to train all these themselves either. Logistics is easier for Ukraine with their home turf advantage anyway, but it's also an area where they're getting a lot of support in building up their capabilities. I don't think I need to rehash how bad Russian logistics have been in comparison.
 
I didn't realise the warheads on those medium range rockets Ukraine is firing out of the MLRS systems we gave them can vary between a traditional high explosive charge to a warhead explodes like its old fashioned grape shot. A Russian was filming the aftermath of a HIMARS rocket hitting a Ural 4320 and the lorry was peppered with holes and had completely devastated the engine and suspension.
 
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Russian state TV says Russia is trying very hard to negotiate a winter ceasefire, so that it can get time to rebuild its military but Ukraine continues to refuse, so Russia strikes civilian infrastructure to try and force Kyiv to agree to the ceasefire

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Russia is simply striking easy strategic static targets, irrespective of ceasefire, to make winter recovery of Ukrainian forces difficult.

I’d expect as soon as russia try to amass forces they will be targetted - including put shots into russian military camps.
 
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Freddie1980 said:
I didn't realise the warheads on those medium range rockets Ukraine is firing out of the MLRS systems we gave them can vary between a traditional high explosive charge to a warhead explodes like its old fashioned grape shot. A Russian was filming the aftermath of a HIMARS rocket hitting a Ural 4320 and the lorry was peppered with holes and had completely devastated the engine and suspension.
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That's the newer anti-personnel version containing some 180,000 BB sized tungsten balls. An odd size to use really, I would have thought fewer 0.5" would have been more generally effective - and over a greater area.
 
ChrisLX200 said:
That's the newer anti-personnel version containing some 180,000 BB sized tungsten balls. An odd size to use really, I would have thought fewer 0.5" would have been more generally effective - and over a greater area.
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Might be a tooling thing. Suspect lots of companies are already set up to make standard size BB's than specialist HIMARS versions.
 
Freddie1980 said:
I didn't realise the warheads on those medium range rockets Ukraine is firing out of the MLRS systems we gave them can vary between a traditional high explosive charge to a warhead explodes like its old fashioned grape shot. A Russian was filming the aftermath of a HIMARS rocket hitting a Ural 4320 and the lorry was peppered with holes and had completely devastated the engine and suspension.
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I saw that. The Russian Army mechanic tasked with “restoring” it back into service spent 5 minutes listing the parts that had been penetrated by the tungsten submunitions and were beyond repair.

“Everything is ******! How the **** am I supposed to restore this ******* pile of ****?”
 
nsmalley said:
Might be a tooling thing. Suspect lots of companies are already set up to make standard size BB's than specialist HIMARS versions.
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clearly more than enough to do damange that's impossible to repair quickly. I can see those going through engine blocks, tyres, suspension, bodywork, electronics etc.
 
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grudas said:
clearly more than enough to do damange that's impossible to repair quickly. I can see those going through engine blocks, tyres, suspension, bodywork, electronics etc.
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The melted metal is just dripped onto a rotating table, hence the smaller size, you go to large and the process stops working. Pretty much why we have a BB size as standard as it just works, go larger and the mass of the material comes into play and it ends up a pancake under its own weight.
 
Grim5 said:
Russian state TV says Russia is trying very hard to negotiate a winter ceasefire, so that it can get time to rebuild its military but Ukraine continues to refuse, so Russia strikes civilian infrastructure to try and force Kyiv to agree to the ceasefire

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Of course they are they've gone from expansionist phase to consolidation phase they want to Kyiv to stop attacking them so they can settle into the lands they've seized and can you stop shooting at us please? The missiles targetting power facilities is an attempt to force Zelensky to the negociating table failing that make the ukrainian people turn against him due to the winter cold with the same result, destabliize the enemy govt the classic russian tactic of late and straight out of Putin's KGB handbook I shouldn't wonder.
 
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ChrisLX200 said:
That's the newer anti-personnel version containing some 180,000 BB sized tungsten balls. An odd size to use really, I would have thought fewer 0.5" would have been more generally effective - and over a greater area.
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Dealing with and evacuating loads of wounded guys, vs fewer dead ones would take up more enemy resources as well I guess.
 
Scougar said:
Which is why nato use 5.56 ammo. Wound someone and it takes two other people to assist for example.
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Whilst a very lethal round it is a bit unpredictable at times which leads to tales of it occaisionally passing through without immediately dropping the enemy. I think the main reason for adopting it was the light weight of the ammo - a soldier can carry many more rounds into action. AIUI there has been a recent move to a slightly larger caliber (6.5mm? can't recall for certain).

edit: just looked it up, 6.8mm×51 ("the US Army’s new rifle will be SIG’s candidate, an upscaled version of their existing gas-piston MCX Rifle, now designated the “XM5,” chambered for SIG’s version of the new military 6.8mm cartridge, called the 6.8×51.")
 
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The round was implemented because rate of fire was found to be more important than power of the round, but then over longer distances achievable with modern optics it doesn't provide enough punch, hence the high power 6.8 cartridge choice.
 
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