Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Concrete said:
Western sanctions haven't done ****,
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I don't know, i mean i tried to buy Forti equpitment there back in June, the quote from local vendors was 6 fold UK prices. I have Dell hosts there that are 6 years old that can't be replaced and have no vendor support. Our managed line services for that site are now contacting me out of their gmail accounts from russia because they have been blocked from the US corporate systems. Its not immediate but sanctions will eventually over time run them and their businesses into the ground through disfunction
 
Gammawolf said:
I don't know, i mean i tried to buy Forti equpitment there back in June, the quote from local vendors was 6 fold UK prices. I have Dell hosts there that are 6 years old that can't be replaced and have no vendor support. Our managed line services for that site are now contacting me out of their gmail accounts from russia because they have been blocked from the US corporate systems. Its not immediate but sanctions will eventually over time run them and their businesses into the ground through disfunction
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Nice to hear some real world consequences, but surely they are just going to switch to Lenovo (potentially under a sub-brand)/Huawei?
 
Concrete said:
And within a fortnight the whole of Ukraine at this rate, and no amount of Western aid is going to be able to stop it.

But hey let the Ukrainian civilians starve so that you guys can keep sabre rattling in your little echo chamber! (Remember you are the good guys!)
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History says `hello` - no war has been won by attacking civilians. Killing them all maybe, as the Franks did with the first conquest of Jerusalem, but that just ****** off everyone in that country. And we all know how the Crusades ended....


Same with Ukraine. The UK is nearly finished training a full Division of infantry , and has equipped it for winter fighting. The civilians will burn wood etc to keep warm, and , as history has shown, join to fight those causing the problem - which is Russia. Unless you think history wont repeat itself, again, and again and again.
 
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Harlequin said:
History says `hello` - not war has been won by attacking civilians. Killing them all maybe, as the Franks did with the first conquest of Jerusalem, but that just ****** off everyone in that country. And we all know how the Crusades ended....


Same with Ukraine. The UK is nearly finished traingin a full Division of infantry , and has equipped it for winter fighting. The civilians will burn wood etc to keep warm, and , as history has shown, join to fight those causing the problem - which is Russia. Unless you think history wont repeat itself, again, and again and again.
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They aren't attacking civilians, they are attacking infrastructure, which as it contributes to the ability of a country to wage war (even if they are defending themselves) is a legitimate target, no matter how much people would like to say its a "war crime".

How are they going to deploy the division, have them walk from Poland? The trains will be in-operable in the near future.
 
Concrete said:
They aren't attacking civilians, they are attacking infrastructure, which as it contributes to the ability of a country to wage war (even if they are defending themselves) is a legitimate target, no matter how much people would like to say its a "war crime".

How are they going to deploy the division, have them walk from Poland? The trains will be in-operable in the near future.
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It’s civilian infrastructure.

Regardless, it’s not going to work. The Ukrainian army will be armed to the teeth and the civilians would rather freeze than capitulate.

It’s their home. They have nowhere else to go.
 
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Concrete said:
They aren't attacking civilians, they are attacking infrastructure, which as it contributes to the ability of a country to wage war (even if they are defending themselves) is a legitimate target, no matter how much people would like to say its a "war crime".

How are they going to deploy the division, have them walk from Poland? The trains will be in-operable in the near future.
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Thank you for confirming you have no understanding of IHL and how it releates to the Geneva Conventions of War (article 1 and article 19), of which Russia is a ratified signatory . Bombing a hospital is a war crime, as defined by the Geneva Conventions .
 
Concrete said:
They aren't attacking civilians, they are attacking infrastructure, which as it contributes to the ability of a country to wage war (even if they are defending themselves) is a legitimate target, no matter how much people would like to say its a "war crime".

How are they going to deploy the division, have them walk from Poland? The trains will be in-operable in the near future.
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They will walk if they need to. Less than a year ago Ukraine was going to be wiped off the map in days. Yet here we are.

Frankly, I find your attitude pathetic.
 
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Concrete said:
I'm still waiting for the source detailing Russians plans for Ukrainian genocide.

Western sanctions haven't done ****, and in case you hadn't noticed, the West isn't looking all that rosy right now. All this nonsense about washing machines, you really believe it? The chips are manufactured in China and are sold freely on the open market.

I spent a fair amount of time in Russia immediately post Soviet collapse and things were bad then, really really bad, yet people got on with their lives. If you are trying to judge the Russian mentality by Western standards .. well I have a cupboard of #staywoke T-shirts to sell you.

Winning for Russia is drawing a line in the sand against NATO encroachment.
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You are funny.

So what's this big constant retreat plan to victory? It's a new one in military history.

Explain the need for Iranian weapons then.
 
Stretch said:
It’s civilian infrastructure.

Regardless, it’s not going to work. The Ukrainian army will be armed to the teeth and the civilians would rather freeze than capitulate.
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No its not, power stations and infrastructure are classed as "dual-use" and are absolutely targets.

I'm not on the Russian's side here, I just telling you that your "approach" is leading to a humanitarian disaster and your echo chamber is really starting to stink of all the farts that you seem to release for each others mutual appreciation.
 
They aren't targeting civilian infrastructure to win the war, they're targeting it to freeze people out and cause a migration crisis and/or trying to gain a stronger negotiating position.

The whole of the EU has branded their actions those of a terrorist state.

They're doing this because they're losing the war and they're throwing their toys out of the pram in a strop.

Yet somehow they're destined to win and we should let them do so?
 
Concrete said:
No its not, power stations and infrastructure are classed as "dual-use" and are absolutely targets.

I'm not on the Russian's side here, I just telling you that your "approach" is leading to a humanitarian disaster and your echo chamber is really starting to stink of all the farts that you seem to release for each others mutual appreciation.
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No. You are on their side. The best solution is Russia sods off. Simple as. That's how you stop people dying. If the west withdraws arms innocents still die.
 
Chris Wilson said:
The only person I know who has had his family take in Ukrainian refugees is now subtly moaning that visiting other family and friends over Christmas is a logistical nightmare and that in hindsight had he known the length of time they'd be here and all the ramifications, he'd not have offered refuge.

This will not be an isolated take on how the generous refuge givers are feeling. If tens of thousands more are on the cards for an exodus out of Ukraine there is a real danger the public will not be anything like as receptive as with their somewhat naive initial responses...
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I talked with my wife about taking someone in, when the scheme was announced. We decided against, partly as it would have been emotionally difficult and might have affected my own kids' welfare. The other stopper was we didn't know what would happen when it got to the 6 months mark.

If my wife and I could see it was a possible longterm issue, it's really disappointing that plans seem not to have been made to address it.
 
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Dis86 said:
No. You are on their side. The best solution is Russia sods off. Simple as. That's how you stop people dying. If the west withdraws arms innocents still die.
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That's a nice sentiment and all, but they aren't going to sod off, so now what?

The West is not supplying and is not going to supply enough aid to keep Ukraine in the fight, so instead of accepting that fact they should just fight to the bitter end?
 
Concrete said:
No its not, power stations and infrastructure are classed as "dual-use" and are absolutely targets.

I'm not on the Russian's side here, I just telling you that your "approach" is leading to a humanitarian disaster and your echo chamber is really starting to stink of all the farts that you seem to release for each others mutual appreciation.
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Not is the legal principle of distinction and that of jus in bello and jus ad bellum ; with the Russian stating they are attacking civilians, then going after power stations, they are in breach of LOAC. Its the wording use and the public statements. Blowing up a hospital is a breach of genevan convensions for all reasons.
 
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