Again, the entire thing is about the words used!
The debate is about a conversation they had, and the words used in that conversation.
Asking someone where they are from
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Again, the entire thing is about the words used!
The debate is about a conversation they had, and the words used in that conversation.
But it is the words used that are the problem hence why the focus is on the words.
You see the difference between posters when one gives reasoning and the other is just defensive emptiness.
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At least try to be factual, you said after the second rebuttal. If those were the questions posed to me my replies would be similar to the charity owner.
Are you going to say i have skinny arms next? childish at best coming from the guy calling others children.
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Not all rudeness is racism. That's so obvious that I'm not even sure how to explain the difference to someone who doesn't perceive it.
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If the same conversation was had with a white person it would be considered quite rude or abrupt and that's it. Swap the white person for a black person and suddenly it's not rude it's racism now. Why?
The intent IS what matters. Not the conversation. The conversation is one of the pieces of evidence to try and determine the intent.
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She wasn't asking her the questions because NF is black.
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Even still something doesn't add up. Look up the charity on the charity commission. It went from a gross income of negative 4k in 19 to a gross income of 360k in the space of two years with 90k worth of government contracts. Accounts have been filed late and there is a lot on there that doesn't add. Plus why would you intentionally secretly record a meeting with a royal?
Are old people generally racist in the way they speak? Obviously because that is the way they were taught to speak. The use of "your people" is simply of a tongue that was used in her generation. It isn't just the royals but at the same time when you come to some shin dig dressed in a traditional African attire you are going to get a question like that. In the same way if a British born white German come up to me dressed in traditional Lederhosen. Lady Hussey is obviously a reasonably intelligent person and Ngozi was obviously baiting the question to get a reaction.
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She would not have had this conversation with a white person. Do you seriously think she would have asked all those questions in the way that she did to a white person she had never met before?
Why make up some imaginary scenario that would not have happened to try and make a point?
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So why are you doing it?
I replied to your post. Sentence by sentence. You ignored the reply and just repeated your first statement. That's your choice. It's nothing to do with me.
The other sentences just said the same thing.
I explained why they are different. You gave no coherent response to make me think otherwise.
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Because that is part of critical thinking.
The conversation alone is not enough evidence to determine 100% if SH is racist.
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LOL I said "at least", you know, in the part you've quoted.
Someone's getting defensive.
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It isn't necessary, it's at best a bit rude or crass or lacked manners. Reaching out and touching someone's name badge is considered rude I guess because we're a bit uptight in British society and it's considered an invasion of personal space or something. Carrying on with a conversation and pressing a subject when it's clear the other party wanted to drop it could be considered bad manners, then again being wilfully obtuse in response to a fairly ordinary question is also confrontational/rude. The follow-up questions if asked like that; "your people", "really come from" are too vague, though the context of the first question re "Africa" and the fact she was stood there with an Igbo name and in that costume ought to have made it obvious what was being asked. The whole interaction, if it were an accurate transcript came off as becoming rapidly hostile (from both sides), it seemed a bit disjointed though and I suspect the recollection isn't entirely accurate.
I'd guess NF gave a bit of attitude and Lady SH was put out and doubled down a bit too.
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The conversation went how it did absolutely because she was black.
Do you think she would have walked up to a random white person, and after asking them where they were from and being told the UK, she would have then proceeded to ask them where they were really from and where their people were from?
If you do, then you have wild imagination.
But it isn't. The focus is on one interpretation of some of the words that might or might not have been used. With complete disregard for the meaning.
Can you point out to me in the transcript where you think she was being "wilfully" obtuse or "gave a bit of attitude"?