Asking someone where they are from

Jono8 said:
The other sentences just said the same thing.
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There are replies to the other sentences in your post. So if they were just saying the same thing, so were the sentences in your post.

Jono8 said:
I explained why they are different. You gave no coherent response to make me think otherwise.
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You stated that they are different. I don't agree with you and you've provided no reason for me to do so.
 
Angilion said:
But it isn't. The focus is on one interpretation of some of the words that might or might not have been used. With complete disregard for the meaning.
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If you don't believe the transcript to be true, then there is barely much point in even joining in the debate. You may as well just say " i don't believe the transcript is accurate, so i have no idea what went down".

I think to have a sensible conversation about this, we have to assume (for the purposes of the debate) that it was true.
 
Jono8 said:
The conversation went how it did absolutely because she was black.
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This is prejudice talking here. You can't fathom a similar conversation happening with a non black person.

It doesn't even have to be a similar conversation. If I was rude to a white person it would be seen as rude, if I was rude to a black person I could be accused on being racist. The content of the conversation is largely irrelevant unless I'm clearly insulting a person's race characteristics.

That didn't happen here, there were no insults.
 
Jono8 said:
She would not have had this conversation with a white person. Do you seriously think she would have asked all those questions in the way that she did to a white person she had never met before?

Why make up some imaginary scenario that would not have happened to try and make a point?
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Something you absolutely cannot state with any kind of certainty. You've completely made it up.

As it happens its quite plausible that if a white woman rocked up in ethnic dress, with an ethnic name, representing an ethnic only charity she may well have asked the same thing.
 
Jono8 said:
The conversation went how it did absolutely because she was black.

Do you think she would have walked up to a random white person, and after asking them where they were from and being told the UK, she would have then proceeded to ask them where they were really from and where their people were from?

If you do, then you have wild imagination.
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If that person was representing a business that deliberately excludes anyone who isn't German enough for them, had changed their name to a German name, publicly proclaimed themselves to be German and was dressed in a vaguely German way, then yes the same questions might have been asked.

You're ignoring context in order to focus on your interpretation of the meaning of a few words that might or might not have been said.
 
Jono8 said:
Do you think she would have walked up to a random white person, and after asking them where they were from and being told the UK, she would have then proceeded to ask them where they were really from and where their people were from?
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Why not? A white person walks in dressed like a Circassian say:

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They've got a name tag with let's say a Turkish name on it say; Deren Büyüküstün.
"Hackney,"
"No, what part of Western Asia are you from?"
"Here, UK"
"No, but what nationality are you?"
"I am born here and am British."
"No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?"
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ZOMG racism you can't ask people where their people come from...
 
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Craterloads said:
And then went straight to what part of Africa are you from? Yes i would be bemused at that jump.
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NF was dressed in African tribal clothing, so why is that bemusing to you?

If I was dressed in my scuba gear would you expect me to be asked about scuba diving or perhaps that would be bemusing too? It would be rather strange for you if I responded by saying I'm not a scuba diver. It might throw you off your conversational stride right?
 
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But she answered she is from the UK. Thats should have been the end of it.

If she wanted to ask about her heritage she could have, by simply asking what is your heritage.

SH: “Well, you must know where you’re from, I spent time in France. Where are you from?”
Ms Fulani: “Here, UK”
SH: “No, but what Nationality are you?”


Ms Fulani: “I am born here and am British.”
SH: “No, but where do you really come from, where do your people come from?”
Ms Fulani: “‘My people’, lady, what is this?”

all this part. Why is she refusing to accept she is British?
 
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Jono8 said:
If you don't believe the transcript to be true, then there is barely much point in even joining in the debate. You may as well just say " i don't believe the transcript is accurate, so i have no idea what went down".

I think to have a sensible conversation about this, we have to assume (for the purposes of the debate) that it was true.
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There is (as there usually is) a lot of ground between the two ends. Requiring belief that one person's recollection of what was said is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, precise in every detail of every word and leaving nothing out, isn't necessary.
 
Angilion said:
There is (as there usually is) a lot of ground between the two ends. Requiring belief that one person's recollection of what was said is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, precise in every detail of every word and leaving nothing out, isn't necessary.
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Well, it is when the debate is centered around the words used.
 
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