The ongoing Elon Twitter saga: "insert demographic" melts down

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Penfold101 said:
There is no distinction - you still have to go looking for it on Twitter in the same way you’d have to go looking for it on Flightradar24. No-one is sitting in your living room with a loudspeaker telling you things that are happening.

The information is there, in the public domain, for you to search for if you want it.
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You are forgetting these weirdos have Twitter as their home page and have forgotten what freedom of internet browsing was like prior to Twitter.
 
Penfold101 said:
There is no distinction - you still have to go looking for it on Twitter in the same way you’d have to go looking for it on Flightradar24. No-one is sitting in your living room with a loudspeaker telling you things that are happening.

The information is there, in the public domain, for you to search for if you want it.
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So is a phone number and an address, phone books get sent out to many people across the country.

This isn't just planes it's any live location data.
 
dowie said:
So is a phone number and an address, phone books get sent out to many people across the country.

This isn't just planes it's any live location data.
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So if I get on a regular British Airways flight, sit down in my first class seat and see Piers Morgan sat opposite me, if I then post the flight number and his presence on it to Twitter, should I be reported?

The guy isn’t even sharing Elon’s location, just his plane for christs sake. Anyone can do it and any can follow that account if they really want to. I do not understand why any of it is an issue to anyone.
 
Roar87 said:
Doxxing is fine as long as it's Elon Musk's baby son
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There you go again, just believing Elon Musk without question.

You seriously think some guy tracked his private jet, sat waiting outside the airport, and then followed Elon Musks son whilst he was being transported by security.

Yet there is no police report about the incident and it happened 25 miles from the nearest airport.
 
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Penfold101 said:
So if I get on a regular British Airways flight, sit down in my first class seat and see Piers Morgan sat opposite me, if I then post the flight number and his presence on it to Twitter, should I be reported?
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That would be breaking this new rule, someone could quite correctly report you for that. If someone hasn't chosen to broadcast that they're on a particular flight then that's not for you to share.

If it were a bigger celebrity than Piers then you potentially have a press pack, autograph hunters and maybe an obsessive fan awaiting their arrival, at LAX you'll probs have the press pack and autograph hunters anyway but it's still giving a heads up to stalkers, somewhere else like Las Vegas you might well be giving those people the heads up they need to get to the airport in time to mob that person.

Penfold101 said:
The guy isn’t even sharing Elon’s location, just his plane for christs sake. Anyone can do it and any can follow that account if they really want to. I do not understand why any of it is an issue to anyone.
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Well allegedly it lead to some stalker jumping on Elon's car with his baby inside, indeed Elon himself wasn't present, it's him and his family who often use the plane though.

Again though it isn't just about planes, it's live location info in general, the issue is obvious and has already been pointed out - harassment and security/safety. See the rapper literally murdered after his location was shared on Instagram if you don't understand why live location data can be dangerous.
 
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dowie said:
That would be breaking this new rule, someone could quite correctly report you for that. If someone hasn't chosen to broadcast that they're on a particular flight then that's not for you to share.

If it were a bigger celebrity than Piers then you potentially have a press pack, autograph hunters and maybe an obsessive fan awaiting their arrival, at LAX you'll probs have the press pack and autograph hunters anyway but it's still giving a heads up to stalkers, somewhere else like Las Vegas you might well be giving those people the heads up they need to get to the airport in time to mob that person.



Well allegedly it lead to some stalker jumping on Elon's car with his baby inside, indeed Elon himself wasn't present, it's him and his family who often use the plane though.

Again though it isn't just about planes, it's live location info in general, the issue is obvious and has already been pointed out - harassment and security/safety. See the rapper literally murdered after his location was shared on Instagram if you don't understand why live location data can be dangerous.
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If you’re famous, people will follow you. The issue here is the people who think it’s ok to stalk and attack others, which they’re going to do regardless of live location data. You’re pretty much blaming the victim for being famous instead of the attackers.

If you don’t want the press to follow you, don’t be famous.
 
Penfold101 said:
If you’re famous, people will follow you. The issue here is the people who think it’s ok to stalk and attack others, which they’re going to do regardless of live location data. You’re pretty much blaming the victim for being famous instead of the attackers.

If you don’t want the press to follow you, don’t be famous.
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Eh? My position is that there can be a risk to people (not just famous people) if their live location is shared without their consent and that Twitter is seeking to reduce that risk.

How is that blaming someone for being famous? Famous people and non-famous people are free to share their location if they so choose, the rule is to prevent others from doing so.

You seem to have accepted that there is an issue with stalkers (that's part of the issue), so why are you opposed to mitigating that risk?
 
Penfold101 said:
If you’re famous, people will follow you. The issue here is the people who think it’s ok to stalk and attack others, which they’re going to do regardless of live location data. You’re pretty much blaming the victim for being famous instead of the attackers.

If you don’t want the press to follow you, don’t be famous.
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Mean while in the Meghan Markle thread...
 
dowie said:
Eh? My position is that there can be a risk to people (not just famous people) if their live location is shared without their consent and that Twitter is seeking to reduce that risk.

How is that blaming someone for being famous? Famous people and non-famous people are free to share their location if they so choose, the rule is to prevent others from doing so.

You seem to have accepted that there is an issue with stalkers (that's part of the issue), so why are you opposed to mitigating that risk?
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Elon’s plane’s locations and Elon’s location are two very different things. A stalker is doing a rubbish job if they rely on this information to find him…

Of course stalkers are an issue - but let’s be honest, if they really want to follow someone that much they aren’t going to need someone else’s information to do it. If you plan on murdering someone you’ll know where they are without having to resort to using Twitter…


Roar87 said:
Mean while in the Meghan Markle thread...
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I’m not saying it’s right, or defending their actions and the methods they use to do their job, as a lot of them are horrific, but you can’t be famous and expect the press to not take an interest in what you do.
 
Penfold101 said:
Elon’s plane’s locations and Elon’s location are two very different things. A stalker is doing a rubbish job if they rely on this information to find him…
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They're not "very" different, he often uses that plane, it's literally his plane... but sure it's not always him, again though this isn't just about planes it is any live location info shared without consent.

Penfold101 said:
Of course stalkers are an issue - but let’s be honest, if they really want to follow someone that much they aren’t going to need someone else’s information to do it. If you plan on murdering someone you’ll know where they are without having to resort to using Twitter…
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You could say the same about finding someone's address. Do you not get that it's still an obvious issue re: safety/security to have it shared on Twitter?

And again that's only part of the issue here.
 
Penfold101 said:
I’m not saying it’s right, or defending their actions and the methods they use to do their job, as a lot of them are horrific, but you can’t be famous and expect the press to not take an interest in what you do.
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I expect the press will take an interest in celebrities, but I don't think it's some insane step for Elon to decide that Twitter shouldn't be used to facilitate the posting of people's location in real-time. If someone got killed as a result of a Twitter user actively sharing their location, could Twitter even potentially be liable?

I think as far as free speech goes this might come under the "don't shout fire in a crowded building" thing, personal safety does trump the ability to say whatever you like.
 
I suppose the pertinent question then is what is defined as 'live'

Is a few seconds enough to consider it in the past or is it minutes or hours? At what point do we decide it is ok to know where someone was?
 
I do think it's actually interesting having open debates on Twitter about the rules, Elon even jumping on calls and being challenged about them. Imagine a platform actually doing that. Most websites are essentially "computer says no".
 
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