New build advice - 3rd time lucky

philmo

philmo

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I plan to build my next PC, for the first time. Which is silly considering I have been PC gaming for 30 years - and only really tinkered.

I have received great help here in the past with a potential new builds and then life challenges got in the way.

It will be used for a variety of games, but I specifically have Flight Simulator in mind which I know if very resource hungry - and have seen various posts about DLSS benefits (and DLSS3 with 4000 cards).
1440p with moderate settings would be good - when I have a decent GPU.

I will use my old GTX1660 super for a few months until I get funds and see if either the 4071 Ti's prices come down or maybe see if I can pick up a higher end 3000 deal.

Ideally I would like to play at 1440p, and to suit will look to get a new 27" monitor too if I can find a good deal.

Regarding storage I have 2 x 1TB Samsung 860 EVO SSD's, which seem fine. But I will buy a NVME for Windows.

Any help would be greatly appreciated so I can get an order off in the next couple of days.

I am very conscious even though I have watched build videos to death that I must not choose combinations might make the build more challenging
(I have in mind the case and cooler) so any help would be greatly appreciated. I don't want to give myself problems before I start.
For example - I was previously advised that there might be compatibility issues with the Prime board and the cooler, and Arctic (12 months ago) suggest I would need to remove the bottom cover of the pump
and they would send a revised version. But maybe the current cooler covers this.

And finally - I want to go down the intel CPU route.

My basket at OcUK:

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I know I can get several items cheaper else where, so will have to shop around.

I have chosen the KF CPU so I can keep using my old machine and use integrated graphics to make sure the machine works before I move the GPU over.

The Prime was added through advice and due to it also having wifi (I have not got lan in the room of choice).

I have not read enough to justify the cost of jumping to DDR5, but would be open to advice assuming the cost is not too much excessive.

With SSD SN570 would I get much benefit in going to the 4th generation SN770 - for a £10 or so more ?

Thanks again.
 
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I would switch to an i5-13500 and a cheaper B760 board. Not sure exactly what you mean about the integrated graphics, but the KF has none.
 
For the same money you can go AM5 and have some upgrade capability in the future.

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Tetras said:
I would switch to an i5-13500 and a cheaper B760 board. Not sure exactly what you mean about the integrated graphics, but the KF has none.
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My bad - clicked on wrong link, it should have been just the k version.

My point was I will build the new machine whilst still using my old machine, so I will only move the GPU (1660 super) out of the one when I know the new build works.

Is there must have a performance decline of the 13500 vs the 12600KF ?

Thanks
 
dfour said:
For the same money you can go AM5 and have some upgrade capability in the future.

My basket at OcUK:

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Thanks for this - I have always had Intel machines and was hoping to stay down that route, but mainly through ignorance I guess.

Do you think I would benefit much from DDR5 over 4?, or is it due to AMD benefiting more from Ram than Intel ?
 
philmo said:
My bad - clicked on wrong link, it should have been just the k version.

My point was I will build the new machine whilst still using my old machine, so I will only move the GPU (1660 super) out of the one when I know the new build works.

Is there must have a performance decline of the 13500 vs the 12600KF ?

Thanks
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According to these results (video) they perform quite similar, some games it loses, some games it wins. In apps or games that use the cores, it can win by quite a lot (because it has 8 E-cores, compared to the 12600K only having 4). Paired with a B760 board like the B760M-A, you'd save some £100-£150 and have little loss (& sometimes a gain) in performance.
 
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philmo said:
Thanks for this - I have always had Intel machines and was hoping to stay down that route, but mainly through ignorance I guess.

Do you think I would benefit much from DDR5 over 4?, or is it due to AMD benefiting more from Ram than Intel ?
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In all fairness prior to 2017 intel was the only serious choice (if you could afford it) but the ryzen range have blown that into the weeds. AMD is right up there and trades blows with intels best in all things . You would be remiss just ignoring AMD just because you always had intel in the past unless your new use has something that Intel is much better at today. All the AMD AM5 chips have built in i-gpu so you cant get the wrong model.

You have nothing to lose by using ddr5 now (except the extra cost). It can have advantages over ddr4 and in some cases it doesnt.
The main advantage you will have going with AM5 is the soon to be released X3D chips which if they follow the 5800X3D example will be gaiming monsters and in a few years time you can still just plug the latest chips from AMD in with just a bios flash and nothing else unlike going the intel route.
 
Tetras said:
I would switch to an i5-13500 and a cheaper B760 board. Not sure exactly what you mean about the integrated graphics, but the KF has none.
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Not that it is something I am into today, but in the future as this is not a K CPU can it be overclocked ? and good advise reference the mobo. Even if I stay with the Asus prime I can see that I can go for https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...-lga-1700-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-6js-as.html for only £30 more.

It would seem to make sense to upgrade to the 13 series (either 13500 or 13600k), but I will spend some time today looking at the AMD variants just to be sure.

In terms of memory - for around £70 I can upgrade to DDR5, in mainly gaming will I see much benefit.
 
philmo said:
Not that it is something I am into today, but in the future as this is not a K CPU can it be overclocked ? and good advise reference the mobo. Even if I stay with the Asus prime I can see that I can go for https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...-lga-1700-ddr4-atx-motherboard-mb-6js-as.html for only £30 more.

It would seem to make sense to upgrade to the 13 series (either 13500 or 13600k), but I will spend some time today looking at the AMD variants just to be sure.

In terms of memory - for around £70 I can upgrade to DDR5, in mainly gaming will I see much benefit.
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For saving money, I was referring to the Asus Prime B760M-A. I'm not sure if the Z790-P has flashback, so I'd only buy it if you're getting a 12600K or 13600K (not i5-13500).

FYI with flashback, out of the box:
- B660 & Z690 should support any 12th gen CPU.
- Z790 should support any 12th gen CPU & 13600K, 13700K and 13900K.
- B760 should support all 12th and 13th gen CPU.

The i5-13500 can't be overclocked, with 13th gen CPUs only the K CPUs can be overclocked. B760 can't overclock any CPU (even if it is a K CPU), you need a Z board for that.

You can see in the video I linked the difference between DDR5 and DDR4 for the i5-13500, though I think he used fast DDR5. Personally, if I was buying a i5-13500 with B760 board then I wouldn't bother, because the point here is to save some money and in most circumstances you'll be more GPU-bound anyway. If I was paying the extra for a Z690 or Z790 board, then I'd go DDR5, since you can get e.g. 32GB of 5600 for £130, so the cost is fairly minimal for the whole build.
 
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Thanks for the feedback all, I have updated the build as follows (and I am aware that I can pick up some items elsewhere cheaper).

I do want to go down the Intel route.

I would appreciate if anyone could point out any potential issues with the build, thanks .

And I am working towards an extra £300 to £400 for a 27" flat 2k monitor, I know stock is tight on the ground. Any advice here would be great, to be fair I have been weighing up if that will be big enough (I currently have a 24" 1080p) - but 27" seems to be the most common size.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,021.00 (includes delivery: £14.10)​



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philmo said:
Thanks for the feedback all, I have updated the build as follows (and I am aware that I can pick up some items elsewhere cheaper).

I do want to go down the Intel route.

I would appreciate if anyone could point out any potential issues with the build, thanks .

And I am working towards an extra £300 to £400 for a 27" flat 2k monitor, I know stock is tight on the ground. Any advice here would be great, to be fair I have been weighing up if that will be big enough (I currently have a 24" 1080p) - but 27" seems to be the most common size.

My basket at OcUK:

Total: £2,021.00 (includes delivery: £14.10)​

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So I have at last starting the ordering process - and have ordered my monitor (I ended up going for an LG 27GP850 - and got an price considering stock is so low everywhere). New PC excitement is gripping - which is maybe a bit late in the day for someone in their 50's.

I now want to commit to this build, with the Intel route.

Thoughts I have are to maybe make the drive larger, even though I am using my old 2 x 1TB Samsung 860 EVO SSD's, I should make more use of the NVME and future benefits. Maybe go up to 1TB ?

With the future in mind should I up the PSU to 1000 ?

Do I need an extra exhaust fan (if so any ideas of which please) or should I stick with just the AIO to create positive input?

And if there are any change suggestions which will not affect quality, it would be much appreciated. Although I have many PC's over the years and have tinkered this is will be my first full build so I am
conscious of using the easiest component mix. So do I need any extra leads / connectors ?
I will be watching various videos listed in the stickys to help me along !

Thanks again all.
 
For an extra £18 it's worth upping the sn770 to 1tb and the extra case fan isnt a need but for £5 i would just add it to your build.


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mickyflinn said:
For an extra £18 it's worth upping the sn770 to 1tb and the extra case fan isnt a need but for £5 i would just add it to your build.


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Arctic P12 PWM PST Black Fan - 120mm

Order Arctic P12 PWM PST Black Fan - 120mm now online and benefit from fast delivery.
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1000w psu gives more headroom for upgrades.

Im a big fan of Zotac they offer a 5year warranty if registered within 30 days otherwise it's 3 years


www.overclockers.co.uk

Zotac GeForce RTX 4070Ti Trinity 12GB GDDR6X PCI-Express Graphics Card

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Brilliant - I will follow your advice, as ever over the years thanks Micky - good to go then !
 
So my LG 27GP850 monitor arrived today - which I am ‘trying out’ before I order my 4070TI build. I have gone from a 24” 1080p (used with a 1660 super). Trying to get my head around if I will send it back and go bigger (I read 27” is the sweet spot for 1440p but am now too sure myself). Also since ordering said monitor and having seen various 4070 reviews I am also thinking if I should change it to 4K if I do re order. I know the 4070 is often referred to a 1440p card but I can see lots of reasonable fps results for 4K. I will mainly be playing RTS / flight simulator (which I know also benefits from DLSS3 too). I would like to play at good settings - not bothered about Ray tracing.

Thoughts would be appreciated.

Apologies if I should have posted this on the Monitor feed - but it’s a continuation of my original post.
 
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Those type of games don't need a high refresh rate monitor like the LG which is more suited for high framerates like shooters . You can always drop the res down from 4k if you wish but as for size its your call.

I would put another post in the monitor section to get more opinions.

Microsoft Flight Simulator | RTX 4070 Ti | 5800X3D | 4K 1440p 1080p | Ultra Settings | DLSS 3 ON/OFF

 
philmo said:
So my LG 27GP850 monitor arrived today - which I am ‘trying out’ before I order my 4070TI build. I have gone from a 24” 1080p (used with a 1660 super). Trying to get my head around if I will send it back and go bigger (I read 27” is the sweet spot for 1440p but am now too sure myself). Also since ordering said monitor and having seen various 4070 reviews I am also thinking if I should change it to 4K if I do re order. I know the 4070 is often referred to a 1440p card but I can see lots of reasonable fps results for 4K. I will mainly be playing RTS / flight simulator (which I know also benefits from DLSS3 too). I would like to play at good settings - not bothered about Ray tracing.

Thoughts would be appreciated.

Apologies if I should have posted this on the Monitor feed - but it’s a continuation of my original post.
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just gone through the whole upgrading monitor from a 21" 1080p. Looked at 27"(which still looked small to me), the 32" 1440p. Then couldn't decide between va and ips..I like contrast myself and deep blacks, but also cheaper panels suffer smearing..price just kept escalating where in the end I was contemplating 34" dell qd oled ultrawide aw3423dwf...ened up getting a 42" C2. Although only 120hz, the pixel response time more than makes up for it which is near instantaneous. you can play it in different formats too, ie run as 1440p ultrawide etc..oh, and has proper hdr of course as oled

below good couple to watch..1st is by price, 2nd he ranks all monitors reviewed in last year and ranks

 
Craig_d1 said:
just gone through the whole upgrading monitor from a 21" 1080p. Looked at 27"(which still looked small to me), the 32" 1440p. Then couldn't decide between va and ips..I like contrast myself and deep blacks, but also cheaper panels suffer smearing..price just kept escalating where in the end I was contemplating 34" dell qd oled ultrawide aw3423dwf...ened up getting a 42" C2. Although only 120hz, the pixel response time more than makes up for it which is near instantaneous. you can play it in different formats too, ie run as 1440p ultrawide etc..oh, and has proper hdr of course as oled

below good couple to watch..1st is by price, 2nd he ranks all monitors reviewed in last year and ranks

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Yeah - saw that video and many more, will check this one again as I thought I was there. Thanks.
I think 42" would be just too big for me, I can see it is 4k too. What GPU do you have ?

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philmo said:
Yeah - saw that video and many more, will check this one again as I thought I was there. Thanks.
I think 42" would be just too big for me, I can see it is 4k too. What GPU do you have ?

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3080fe. And the 4070ti is about 25% faster than that, plus with dlss3 frame insertion, dont think you'll have a problem with flight sim. As @micksays, you can always drop the res to 1440p for those games that you really want the high fps from. It sits on a IKEA 160 by 80 desk. We use duel 43" screens at work . Guess I've got used to big screens but single screen doesnt look to big. It was a bday/xmas present for my son. He plays more than me anyway, but he's over the moon with it. Nice thing is hes got console hooked up as well and also a smart telly. Covered all the bases.
And you can get sub £800, which when launched was £1400, and all the new high end OLED monitors coming out are all north £1k. Still expensive, but ticked so many boxes , though why not...
 
It sounds great - and clearly it sounds like an excellent screen. Looked at things again after your mail and due to how close I would be to the screen I am a bit more comfortable with how it felt. The suggestion of going 4k and scaling down to 1440p when needed is a very good idea. It might be I need to post this in the Monitor section (and do some googling) - but if I went for say a 32” 4k would the quality of the output at 1440p be a bit dodgy. In any case I can’t really go over £450 - so will look at my options. Cheers.
 
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